If Han had been born earlier?

[Jedi Master Elad Kenobi]

What if Han had been born earlier and been in EpIII and smugged Obi-wan to mustafar instead of Padme going there?

[MandalorianJF]

Well, I guess then Padme would not die.


:welcome: :happydance: :welcome:

[Zedekk]

What if Han had been born earlier and been in EpIII and smugged Obi-wan to mustafar instead of Padme going there?

I recall that Padme with-held the location of her recently dubbed Darth-hubby from Obi-Wan because she wasn't sure about what was going on and didn't want said darth-hubby to be killed by friend/buddy/pal Obi-Wan. So if Han was born earlier and was a pilot it would have made little difference to the story anyway, because Obi-Wan did the sneaky Jedi thing and smuggled himself onto Padme's ship. Now if Lando had been born earlier and had been successful in charming the info out of Padme, then we might have something there, but she is a Senator and probably would not be conned into such obvious and overt shmoozing from a rouge. But you never know.

:welcome: btw

[Tovor]

What if Han had been born earlier?
Then in ANH he would have been older. :ewok:

[Obi-wannabe]

Without an oppressive empire he might not have been a smuggler.

[Solo]

Without an oppressive empire he might not have been a smuggler.

You are right.
Han became a smuggler after he deserted the Imperial Army. He wouldn't have met Chewie and would not have become a smuggler, if he was born earlier.

[DblDwn]

What if Han had been born earlier and been in EpIII and smugged Obi-wan to mustafar instead of Padme going there?

I know Han is smug himself but how do you "smug" somebody? :bigsmile:

[Tovor]

I know Han is smug himself but how do you "smug" somebody? :bigsmile:
Han is a smug smuggler. That's why Leia is unsatisfied with him in bed. he tells her after they're finished, "I'm a smuggler, beyoch, not a snuggler." :hehe:

[thepepgal]

If Han had been born earlier than he and Leia would never been married as he would have been too old for him. She would have look at him like a uncle or father figure and not a suitor.

[Sarah-Leia]

:welcome:

[Mothman]

What if Han had been born earlier and been in EpIII and smugged Obi-wan to mustafar instead of Padme going there?

Maybe he would have fought Lil' Ani and would have shot first (until the ROTS Special Edition comes out).

:bye:

[Sarah-Leia]

Another thought...if Han had been born earlier, he'd be too old for Leia and they wouldn't get married :( :cry:

[thepepgal]

Another thought...if Han had been born earlier, he'd be too old for Leia and they wouldn't get married :( :cry:

Great minds think alike since I posted this earlier.:bigsmile:

[jayce76]

Fantastic thinking . . . :lol:

[Leia]

I thought Corellians aged fairly slowly or something...

[jayce76]

Your thinking about Aragon in Lord of the Rings . . .honey:ugh:

[Leia]

No, because I had that thought way before I even was at all involved in anything LOTR. Maybe I just misremembered something somebody told me :lol:

[MandalorianJF]

Hold on a minute I just thought of something: Leia was born in ROTS and Han is older than Leia so Han was around in the Rise of the Empire time.

And maybe that Millennium Falcon we sow in ROTS was piloted by Han himself (or Lando with Han on board).
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/8/8f/Episode_3_Falcon.jpg

[MandalorianJF]

If Han had been born earlier than he and Leia would never been married as he would have been too old for him. She would have look at him like a uncle or father figure and not a suitor.

Another thought...if Han had been born earlier, he'd be too old for Leia and they wouldn't get married :( :cry:


Agree with both of you.

[Mothman]

Hold on a minute I just thought of something: Leia was born in ROTS and Han is older than Leia so Han was around in the Rise of the Empire time.

And maybe that Millennium Falcon we sow in ROTS was piloted by Han himself (or Lando with Han on board).
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/8/8f/Episode_3_Falcon.jpg

More likely Lando than Han. But...if this is some 18-19 years before the Battle of Yavin, it is even more likely to be someone else.

[Zedekk]

Its even more likely that it isn't even the Millinium Falcon at all. Probably some other YT1600 they did mass production of ships ya know.

[MandalorianJF]

Its even more likely that it isn't even the Millinium Falcon at all. Probably some other YT1600 they did mass production of ships ya know.

Do you know anyone else who can possibly have a YT1600 besides Lando?

[Zedekk]

More likely Lando than Han. But...if this is some 18-19 years before the Battle of Yavin, it is even more likely to be someone else.

Do you know anyone else who can possibly have a YT1600 besides Lando?

Um no not personnaly, but its a good ship I'm sure that other people have relied on the YT1600 to fly them about the universe and back even if they have no major role in any of the movies aside from just being seen as landing or taking off in a scene.

[MandalorianJF]

Um no not personnaly, but its a good ship I'm sure that other people have relied on the YT1600 to fly them about the universe and back even if they have no major role in any of the movies aside from just being seen as landing or taking off in a scene.

Well...OK

[thepepgal]

Do you know anyone else who can possibly have a YT1600 besides Lando?

There were 3 shown on a landing pad in AOTC when the refugee ship lands at Naboo. They are in the bottom left corner of the widescreen versions.

Dash Rendar had one that he modified to look exactly like the Falcon.

Han is 11 years older than Leia so he wasn't flying the Falcon in ROTS. I have found no info on when Lando obtained the Falcon. I know Lando is older than han but unsure how much older.

[Zedekk]

There were 3 shown on a landing pad in AOTC when the refugee ship lands at Naboo. They are in the bottom left corner of the widescreen versions.

I forgot about that! I'm gonna have to check that out again :D

[Mothman]

Since the release of ROTS, I thought that there was an "official" comment somewhere that stated that the ship we see landing on Coruscant is THE Millenium Falcon that we all know and love from the OT. (I can't recall exactly where I heard it, but I thought that it was an "official" source of some kind.)

:bye:

[MandalorianJF]

Han is 11 years older than Leia so he wasn't flying the Falcon in ROTS. I have found no info on when Lando obtained the Falcon. I know Lando is older than han but unsure how much older.

11? Boba Fett piloted Slave 1 at like 10 or something and Slave 1 is harder to pilot that the Falcon.

[MandalorianJF]

There were 3 shown on a landing pad in AOTC when the refugee ship lands at Naboo. They are in the bottom left corner of the widescreen versions.

WOW!!! I never sow that, I am going to check that out right now!

[MandalorianJF]

There were 3 shown on a landing pad in AOTC when the refugee ship lands at Naboo. They are in the bottom left corner of the widescreen versions.

I just watched that scene and I did not find any sin of the Falcon.

[MandalorianJF]

There were 3 shown on a landing pad in AOTC when the refugee ship lands at Naboo. They are in the bottom left corner of the widescreen versions.

I just watched that scene and I did not find any sin of the Falcon.

Here I made some screen captures of that sen, can you show me the Falcon?

1 (http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/5221/ndvd080uo2.png)
2 (http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/61/ndvd081vx3.png)
3 (http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4879/ndvd082me1.png)

[Zedekk]

11? Boba Fett piloted Slave 1 at like 10 or something and Slave 1 is harder to pilot that the Falcon.

I can appreciate that fact, but Han wouldn't have even owned the Falcon for the time period of RotS, simply due to the fact that it was Lando's ship until Han won it off of Lando after a game of Sabacc (spelling?). And I might be going out on a limb here, but I don't think Han had met Lando and was playing high stakes sabacc games for ships and such at the early age of 11. So it could very well be the Falcon but it would be Lando flying it rather than Han, if it is in fact the Falcon.
I do like your attention to detail, MandalorianJF.

[MandalorianJF]

I can appreciate that fact, but Han wouldn't have even owned the Falcon for the time period of RotS, simply due to the fact that it was Lando's ship until Han won it off of Lando after a game of Sabacc (spelling?). And I might be going out on a limb here, but I don't think Han had met Lando and was playing high stakes sabacc games for ships and such at the early age of 11. So it could very well be the Falcon but it would be Lando flying it rather than Han, if it is in fact the Falcon.
I do like your attention to detail, MandalorianJF.

Do you think it's possible for Han to be aboard the Falcon?

[Zedekk]

... I doubt it.

[thepepgal]

11? Boba Fett piloted Slave 1 at like 10 or something and Slave 1 is harder to pilot that the Falcon.

And Boba couldn't see over the control panel without straining to stand on chair.


Since the release of ROTS, I thought that there was an "official" comment somewhere that stated that the ship we see landing on Coruscant is THE Millenium Falcon that we all know and love from the OT. (I can't recall exactly where I heard it, but I thought that it was an "official" source of some kind.)



It was the official site itself that announce it.

[thepepgal]

Here I made some screen captures of that sen, can you show me the Falcon?

1 (http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/5221/ndvd080uo2.png)
2 (http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/61/ndvd081vx3.png)
3 (http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4879/ndvd082me1.png)

As per the official site:

http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/bts/production/beacon61.html

[Mothman]

It was the official site itself that announce it.

Works for me!

:bye:

[MandalorianJF]

And Boba couldn't see over the control panel without straining to stand on chair.

I Don't want to change the topic but at that time Slave 1 was on the ground.

[thepepgal]

I Don't want to change the topic but at that time Slave 1 was on the ground.

I know that and acknowledge that he started it moving by that is completely different to Boba flying it. I don't understand why you believe the Falcon is easier to fly since when it was in difficult situations Han always needed Chewie's help. Lando needed a co pilot during the Endor flight. Slave 1 was usually able to be flown by a pilot solely hence easier for one person to control.

Therefore Han wouldn't have been capable of flying the Falcon at age 10 or so.

[MandalorianJF]

I don't understand why you believe the Falcon is easier to fly since when it was in difficult situations Han always needed Chewie's help.

You see Slave 1 is bigger that the Millennium Falcon therefor it is harder to control Slave 1 in battle.

[Zedekk]

KSE Firespry (Slave I) is a patrol/policing ship designed for greater manuverabilty so as to chase down other ships. The YT-1600 is a freighter; cargo shipment and such comparing the two is like, apple and oranges. they have different functions and capabilities. Han and Lando modified the Falcon so much as to effectivly change its capabilities, but that doesn't mean it stopped being a feighter. And since (in the movies) we always see someone helping or co-piloting the Falcon along with someone else, and we don't see anyone co-piloting Slave I aside from one person starting up the fighter and then moving aside for another pilot to take solitary control I don't think the operation of this fine ship is difficult. So I'm not completly buying the fact that KSE is harder to control in battle. In fact the design and fuction of the KSE might make it easier to control.

[MandalorianJF]

KSE Firespry (Slave I) is a patrol/policing ship designed for greater manuverabilty so as to chase down other ships. The YT-1600 is a freighter; cargo shipment and such comparing the two is like, apple and oranges. they have different functions and capabilities. Han and Lando modified the Falcon so much as to effectivly change its capabilities, but that doesn't mean it stopped being a feighter. And since (in the movies) we always see someone helping or co-piloting the Falcon along with someone else, and we don't see anyone co-piloting Slave I aside from one person starting up the fighter and then moving aside for another pilot to take solitary control I don't think the operation of this fine ship is difficult. So I'm not completly buying the fact that KSE is harder to control in battle. In fact the design and fuction of the KSE might make it easier to control.

Boba was helping Jango with piloting Slave 1 in AOTC.

[Solo]

Just a second. Do we have any further proof that Slave 1 is bigger than the Falcon, besides those captured scenes? Millenium Falcon was a modified YT-1300 (1300 actually, not 1600) which was originally designed as a freighter. Slave 1 was a bounty hunter ship. In my opinion, a bounty hunter would have chosen a smaller and faster craft than a freighter. I do not think comparing sizes with only captured scenes is correct.

Slave 1 was a single pilot craft, while Falcon required two pilots in control and had multi turrets which needed to be controlled by two gunners. I believe there is a mistake with your size comparison.

[thepepgal]

Here are the definite answers:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/slavei/index.html

http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/millenniumfalcon/index.html

The Falcon is larger and a highly modified YT-1300 freighter. Lando and Han modified the ship to enable it to be used for smuggling and protection.

Slave 1 is smaller and an modified pursuit vessel that can be piloted by one person. Both Jango and Boba modified the ship to prevent it from becom obsolete.

Measurements are on the right hand side.

[MandalorianJF]

Does anyone know exactly how high the Millennium Falcon really is?

[MandalorianJF]

Today on wikipedia I noticed that some data on the Millenium Falconer got updated.
(read it, it looks important) Here:

"The Millennium Falcon was constructed in 60 BBY on Corellia. It was present at the Republic Executive Building docking bay on Coruscant shortly after the Second Battle of Coruscant, landing beneath the shuttle that brought Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Supreme Chancellor Palpatine to safety, although not much else is known of the ship's early history. The Millennium Falcon's ownership history is largely unknown; the ship's identiplate was removed long ago as an asset to smuggling. Beyond Solo and Calrissian, all documentation has been lost, but persistent rumor claims that the vessel was both owned and used secretly by members of the Jedi before Emperor Palpatine took power. These assertions, while intriguing, are unproven."

Or here (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Millenium_Falcon)

[Jedi Master Elad Kenobi]

Hi guys sorry its been so long are we going off subject? It's about HAN not the falcon! Though it is interesting...

[huttslime]

Does anyone know exactly how high the Millennium Falcon really is?

The Millenium Falcon is very hi because of all the spice it carried around...



as for the lengthy height: i'd say about at leasdt 5 meters, or 15 feet. that is proportinal with the length of 27 meters.

[huttslime]

And Padmé would have died anyways because Vader was mad at her for not coming to mustafar.

[MandalorianJF]

And Padmé would have died anyways because Vader was mad at her for not coming to mustafar.

True
That's what I said in the first post
here:
Well, I guess then Padme would not die.

[Jedi Master Elad Kenobi]

But what would happen on a GALACTIC scale? Would Padme keep the babies? Would she continue in the senate and join the alliance

[huttslime]

As I said, I will make Padmé die no matter what. She can join the alliance and keep her children in her grave.

BUT: If she didn't die, a chance of about 0.00...0%, then she would join the alliance. As you might remember, in ROTS Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, Padmé and some other kids made an alliance where they would... well I don't remember the exact details, but there you go, she would have joined and been the great hero and all that. Happy ending. Have a nice evening or morning, wherever you live.

[Jedi Master Elad Kenobi]

BUT would she settle down like that or try and turn Anakin back to good?

[thepepgal]

But what would happen on a GALACTIC scale? Would Padme keep the babies? Would she continue in the senate and join the alliance

As she mentioned in the ROTS, she planned to raise the kids on Naboo. The queen would have insisted on Padme standing down as senator since Padme was pregnant. She may have joined the alliance when the kids were a little older. She would have kept in touch with Bail and Mon Mothma. Keeping a low profile earlier so Palpatine didn't try to steal the kids.