Shmi Skywalker

[BEARlyworking]

Just wanted to bounce something off of my fellow Star Wars fans...

In your vast exploration of the extended Star Wars universe...have you come across anything that would lead you to believe that Shmi Skywalker had anything to do with the Sith?

Just a few things making me wonder...

Some things I've run across online...

apparently, during The Phantom Menace, in at least one scene in which Shmi appears, the Sith theme is intermixed in the music...

looking over the "easter-egg" items from Attack of the Clones (AOTC), someone has mentioned the markings on the ceiling of the Lars household...supposedly they are the same markings as the tattoo on Darth Maul's face...(supposedly also visible in ANH)...

Along the same lines as this....the same markings are in Shmi and Anakin's slave quarters on Tatooine...(ha...and I just noticed the coincidence of the "tattoo" matching markings on "TATOOine".

Your thoughts...

[looceefir]

Shmi being linked to Sith is something i've considered. Goes alongside a theory that she was part of Palpatine's grand grand plan which may involve impreg/insem/inating Shmi and planting her on Tatooine (outside the Jedi's cachment area) with or without her knowledge. Once Anakin is taken into the Jedi as Palpy's agent on the inside, Shmi is no longer needed hence Watto sells her off quickly and she is then conveniently freed. Sounds like a reward for performing her part...

[NIGHTTRAVELER]

All of these things are quite interesting. I got the feeling early on that Palpy could in fact be Anakins father, thus creating a family dynasty of sorts. If this is true, than Shmi could have Sith ties. These ties may not be known to her though. The Skywalkers where once the property of the Hutts, and we all know that the Hutts would not be above dealing with the Sith. This could in fact be the key to a possible tie.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by NIGHTTRAVELER@June 03 2002 - 23:30
All of these things are quite interesting. *I got the feeling early on that Palpy could in fact be Anakins father, thus creating a family dynasty of sorts.
So how would the fact that, if what you're saying is true, Anakin kills his own father; something Luke could not bring himslef to do, affect the Vader's Redemption/Chosen One scenario.

[darthleith]

Also, a friend of mine noted that during her death scene she doesn't actually tell Anakin she loves him - she never completes the sentence. Maybe she was going to say " I love Sidious" !!!!

I think she's hiding something during Episode 1...

[MJADE042385]

I was thinking If Shmi is part of the Siths and every thing goes like Looceefir says. Anakin would not know he is kill his father. But i was also thinking that maybe Dooku is Anakins father. That might explain the look of hurt in his face when he cuts Anakins arm off. Shmi, if Sith, could have lied to Oh whats-his-name about not having a father.

[missstanleigh]

If Shmi was a Sith she certainly got a raw deal. Tyranus gets to be rich and powerful, Maul got to be creepy cool and poor Shmi gets to be slave, married off to a dull farmer and tortured to death by the Sand people. Some retirement plan.

[Javen]

Originally posted by darthleith@Jun 4 2002, 12:54 PM
Also, a friend of mine noted that during her death scene she doesn't actually tell Anakin she loves him - she never completes the sentence. *Maybe she was going to say " I love Sidious" !!!!

I think she's hiding something during Episode 1...
Its very doubtful that she would have said "I love Sidious".

[CieSharp]

I once read a convincing rumor/hypothesis that Shmi was secretly impregnated by Palpatine or possibly Dooku, but against her knowledge. Sort of like an "aliens impregnated me" scenerio. The Sith patterns on the Skywalker slave hovel were supposedly painted on to sublimely deliver hateful messages into Anakin's mind. I don't think that Shmi would willingly raise a child destined to be a Sith. She was merely a pawn.

[MegoHulk]

Boy, it's getting deep in here... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

[Jedi D'oh]

I agree with Megohulk!

[justafan]

Perhaps not Sith, but having something to do with the Force. Anakin may have been conceived by the midichlorians themselves, but Shmi had to have contributed something, or have had them rub off on her during pregnancy.

Remember, a child is the product of two. There would need to be some reason she is "selected" by the Force. Maybe, maybe not, but it bears discussion.

That may be the reason Anakin maintains such a close tie to his mother--almost unnaturally creepy if you ask me. He may be receptive to her Force.

[justafan]

And I don't mean creepy in a sick sort of way, only that he's been away for 10 years (the beginnings of his adult life) and hasn't seen or heard from her in all this time. His attachment is almost instinctual rather than a naturally developed attachment.

[maddog62]

I think I read some where that Anikan was still breast feading at the age of 10.

[SithWitch]

Originally posted by justafan@Oct 18 2002, 09:51 AM
Perhaps not Sith, but having something to do with the Force. Anakin may have been conceived by the midichlorians themselves, but Shmi had to have contributed something, or have had them rub off on her during pregnancy.

Remember, a child is the product of two. There would need to be some reason she is "selected" by the Force. Maybe, maybe not, but it bears discussion.

That may be the reason Anakin maintains such a close tie to his mother--almost unnaturally creepy if you ask me. He may be receptive to her Force.
Remember Little Nicky? The product of GOOD and EVIL was greater than the sum? If the Force is Fundamentally Good, it is likely that Shmi is Fundamentally Evil!

I like the idea of Shmi being a Sith Witch, of course!

[Justin]

Do you really think Shmi was going to use her last breath to tell her son she loved Darth Sidious?

I've heard these theories before, and no offense to whoever started this thread, but this is just the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Shmi's death was supposed to make us feel sorry for her and Anakin. I don't think we'd be very sorry she died, or would have much pity for Anakin, if Smi was a Sith witch or whatever you call it.

The point is that Anakin came from humble beginnings and his world was perverted by the dark side.

Shmi is nothing more than a sweet old lady.

[Master Cephus]

What they are saying that a "Sweet Old Lady" could be fooled into doing the work of a sith. If a sith is controlling thousands of star systems, I doubt he would have trouble fooling Shmi. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

I don't think she has any connections to the sith because that would null the chosen one factor that Ani is. I think the first time Palpy and Ani meet is at the end of TPM. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hehe.gif

Just My .02 Cents (beau@hiwaay.net)

[Isomorph]

I agree with Justin on this one Anakins mother was just a simple woman and her being considered a sith witch or what ever is utterly stuipd some of you are getting a little carried away with your theories but this one really tops the list of insane ones I have heard so far,I like a good theory just as much as the next guy or gal but their comes a point when you have to be realistic, and Shmi being called a sith is pure _hit,I don't know where some of you have been getting these rumors from but please tell that person to stop using the crack pipe.LOL

[Jedi D'oh]

Well said!!

[SithWitch]

Actually, Shmi as Sith is probly very unlikely.
But I am pretty sure she was a Sith pawn.
And I don't think we have seen the last of her...

[Isomorph]

Hey I really like your avatar Jedi-d'oh its very cool.to sith witch its a good bet that Sidious has no clue about Shmi or Anakin,because if he did he would have found Anakin first before the Jedi did,and taken him to train as a sith lord.And we have seen the last of Shmi she died in the movie remember since she is not force sensitive its a good bet we wont see her again it would make for weak and terriable story telling to bring her back,its not realistic.

[Jedi D'oh]

Thanks Isomprph!

I agree. If Sidious had anything to do with anakins birth, he would have raised and trained in in sith lore from the start.

[SithWitch]

While I like the idea of training the antiChrist from childhood, I think that just as Jedi Hopefuls go through life without a master and Luke managed ok with no mentor til he was twenty, it makes more sense for the Puppemaster to stand back, let his genetically altered spawn germinate, hatch and grow old enough to kill the other apprentice ... remember the TWO rule?

Besides, wasn't Aurra Sing (sp?) there to keep an eye on the young one? There is SOMETHING behind Anakin's conception that we do not know, and Shmi was a pawn.

By the by, I would also argue that the Midichlorians, would most certainly have chosen a woman with very high force sensitivity to impregnate. Why not? It only makes sense to me.... Leia, Padme, lots of women have it, so why wouldn't the midis want a sensitive bride? ??? ;-)

[SithWitch]

Oh, and one other thing :-)

We have seen Qui Gon, ObiWan and Anakin
all return in astral form - why the DAGOBAH
couldn't we see Shmi?

[Justin]

I think Aurra Sing was just in town for a weekend to catch the races.

Who came up with the ridiculous idea that she was watching over Anakin??

[Justin]

And by the way, we haven't seen Qui-gon in "astral form." We only heard his voice.

[James]

No, i don't think Shmi has anything to do with the sith...There was a small hint of romace between her and Qui-Gon, and after all, Qui-Gon is a Jedi

[SithWitch]

Pardon me.
Return FROM THE DEAD
I guess TECHNICALLY qui gon was not astral
But JEEZ, back from the dead is back from the dead
It's not like ObiWan could go nail a twiilek with
his ghost body... ;-)

[Justin]

Are Twi'eks the sex pots of the galaxy or something?

[Leia]

How come you spelled it with an apostrophe? isn't there supposed to be an 'L' in there?

[Jedi Master Shaft]

It's Twi'Lek,... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif


style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tie.gif

[SithWitch]

Thanks shaft.
And maybe that is another Topic:
What alien babes are the hottest?
What alien men are the hottest?

Twi'lek chicas
And ... what species is Mas Amedda? He's a hunk!

[James]

He is a Chagrian. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[SithWitch]

mmmmmmmmmm

[Janloo-Wan Kenobi]

GL has said it clearly: anakin is the chosen one, he has NO father, in order to mirror the birth of mythological heroes. There is enough to tell in episode3, no need to add another creepy story about shmi being a sith or palpy or dooku being anakin's father. In E1, shmi was here te show us how anakin cared for her and how hard it was for him to let her in tatooine. In E2 she was here to show us anakin's first step to the dark side. In E3, maybe sidious will use her death to make anakin very angry against the Jedi by saying to him that when he had visions about her sufferings, the jedi didn't allow him to go to save her.
Without considering E3, I I think Shmi has done her job well. For the Force's sake, let her rest in peace

[Isomorph]

very well put.

[Jacen Solo]

Originally posted by Janloo-Wan Kenobi@Oct 26 2002, 09:09 AM
GL has said it clearly: anakin is the chosen one, he has NO father, in order to mirror the birth of mythological heroes. There is enough to tell in episode3, no need to add another creepy story about shmi being a sith or palpy or dooku being anakin's father. In E1, shmi was here te show us how anakin cared for her and how hard it was for him to let her in tatooine. In E2 she was here to show us anakin's first step to the dark side. Without considering E3, I I think Shmi has done her job well. For the Force's sake, let her rest in peace
My thoughts exactly! Good job.

In E3, maybe sidious will use her death to make anakin very angry against the Jedi by saying to him that when he had visions about her sufferings, the jedi didn't allow him to go to save her. [posted by Janloo-Wan Kenobi]

That's an interesting thought. I wouldn't put it past Sidious to use that to turn Anakin to the Dark Side.

[James]

i think i agree

[STar war spUNK]

you all can't say for sure though because we haven't seen episode 3 yet. for all we know, my theory of chancellor palpatine having an evil twin named darth sidious could be true! very unlikely, but its still a possibility!