Are the AT-AT & AT-ST a part of the Clone Army?

[MandalorianJF]

I hear rumors that AT-AT & AT-ST are a part of the Clone Army, but I never sow them in any battle of the Clone War, and I was wondering if they are really a part of the Clone Army?

[MandalorianJF]

Here I found some concept art of AT-ATs and AT-ST with the clone army. But I still don't really believe it.

[MandalorianJF]

Here I found some concept art of AT-ATs and AT-ST with the clone army. But I still don't really believe it.

here is another

[MandalorianJF]

Here I found some concept art of AT-ATs and AT-ST with the clone army. But I still don't really believe it.

and another

[Zedekk]

nice pics I believe the AT-AT and AT-ST are a definate part of the Imperial Army, and that the clone army had earlier variations of similar armored transport (not the exact design of what we see in ESB and ROTJ)

[MandalorianJF]

nice pics I believe the AT-AT and AT-ST are a definate part of the Imperial Army, and that the clone army had earlier variations of similar armored transport (not the exact design of what we see in ESB and ROTJ)

Do you think that they are still called "AT-AT & AT-ST"?

[Zedekk]

I don't think so lemme check something... The clone scout walker was a precurser of the AT-ST couldn't find the info on the AT-AT though but you're probably right its probably called something else. :happy:

[MandalorianJF]

Also, Is that an AT-AT flying up there?
Sorry it's kinda of topic

[MandalorianJF]

I don't think so lemme check something... The clone scout walker was a precurser of the AT-ST couldn't find the info on the AT-AT though but you're probably right its probably called something else. :happy:

thanks

[Zedekk]

Also, Is that an AT-AT flying up there?
Sorry it's kinda of topic

Looks like a snowspeeder passing by to me, *kinda blurry though*

[Master Magnus]

I hear rumors that AT-AT & AT-ST are a part of the Clone Army, but I never sow them in any battle of the Clone War, and I was wondering if they are really a part of the Clone Army?
AT-STs are mentioned in the ROTS novelization and AT-ATs were introduced during the Battle of Jabiim (EU, the picture you posted in the third post). Neither vehicle is seen in the prequels. What you referred to as concept art are in fact frames from comics.

[MandalorianJF]

AT-STs are mentioned in the ROTS novelization and AT-ATs were introduced during the Battle of Jabiim (EU, the picture you posted in the third post). Neither vehicle is seen in the prequels. What you referred to as concept art are in fact frames from comics.

Master Magnus can you tell me the name of the comics book that thous pics are from.

[Master Magnus]

Master Magnus can you tell me the name of the comics book that thous pics are from.
The first picture comes from one of the Star Wars: Empire issues (the Imperial officer depicted in the front is Luke's childhood friend Janek Sunber, a.k.a. Tank). The second picture comes from the comic Entrenched. The third picture comes from Star Wars: The Battle of Jabiim. The fourth picture appears to be a screenshot from the computer game Empire At War. I'm not sure of the origin of the fifth picture though.

[MandalorianJF]

The first picture comes from one of the Star Wars: Empire issues (the Imperial officer depicted in the front is Luke's childhood friend Janek Sunber, a.k.a. Tank). The second picture comes from the comic Entrenched. The third picture comes from Star Wars: The Battle of Jabiim. The fourth picture appears to be a screenshot from the computer game Empire At War. I'm not sure of the origin of the fifth picture though.

And am...have you read these comics? If you have can you tell me if there worth reading and paying for?

[Master Magnus]

And am...have you read these comics? If you have can you tell me if there worth reading and paying for?
I'm not into comics, I haven't read all the issues and I don't know whether they're available. Sorry...

[EmperorPalpatine]

In the Revenge of the Sith movie, when the clones are carrying out order 66, I saw AT-ATs behind.

[MandalorianJF]

In the Revenge of the Sith movie, when the clones are carrying out order 66, I saw AT-ATs behind.

can you tell me what planet did you see it on

[Tovor]

I hear rumors that AT-AT & AT-ST are a part of the Clone Army, but I never sow them in any battle of the Clone War, and I was wondering if they are really a part of the Clone Army?
Did we see the same Star Wars films? In AOTC there were the precursors to the AT-AT, the six legged walkers that went into battle on Geonosis. They were also seen on Mygeto in ROTS, first walking along through the brush, and then behind Aayla Secura before she was shot by the Clone troopers. There were also the single man two legged walkers that are the precursors to the AT-STs, seen on the Wookiee world, as well as 3 legged walkers too. I think there were also one of the 6 legged walkers on Coruscant, walking toward a Republic Star Destroyer when Yoda landed and met the Wookiees.

And the AT-ATs and AT-STs seen in TESB and ROTJ were also part of the Clone army, since the Stormtroopers of the Old Trilogy were all clones as well. The Clone Army and the Imperial Army are the same army. The Clone army became the Imperial army the moment Sidious declared himself emperor.

[Zedekk]

^Sweet Pics Tov.

[Tovor]

^Sweet Pics Tov.
Yeah. I captured them from the DVD. I've got so many SW pictures it's amazing. I just keep saving more of them when I see them online, or on the DVD.

[MandalorianJF]

Did we see the same Star Wars films? In AOTC there were the precursors to the AT-AT, the six legged walkers that went into battle on Geonosis. They were also seen on Mygeto in ROTS, first walking along through the brush, and then behind Aayla Secura before she was shot by the Clone troopers. There were also the single man two legged walkers that are the precursors to the AT-STs, seen on the Wookiee world, as well as 3 legged walkers too. I think there were also one of the 6 legged walkers on Coruscant, walking toward a Republic Star Destroyer when Yoda landed and met the Wookiees.

And the AT-ATs and AT-STs seen in TESB and ROTJ were also part of the Clone army, since the Stormtroopers of the Old Trilogy were all clones as well. The Clone Army and the Imperial Army are the same army. The Clone army became the Imperial army the moment Sidious declared himself emperor.

Well the pics that you should me were not AT-ATs
The first one was an AT-OT and AT-AP
The second pics is an AT-AP
And the third picture is an AT-TE

And what you tald me about TESB & ROTJ is not correct, that was an Imperial Army not a Clone Army.

[Tovor]

Well the pics that you should me were not AT-ATs
The first one was an AT-OT and AT-AP
The second pics is an AT-AP
And the third picture is an AT-TE

And what you tald me about TESB & ROTJ is not correct, that was an Imperial Army not a Clone Army.
Sorry, but it is correct. The stormtroopers are clones of Jango Fett. Lucas has said this, and it is also why he rerecorded, or so I read, the stormtroopers voices on the latest versions of the DVDs, with Jango's voice (or maybe it was only Boba Fett's voice he redubbed, I'm not sure).

The stormtroopers of ANH, TESB, and ROTJ were all clones. Thus, the Imperial Army is the Clone Army. The Old Trilogy clones were called Imperial troopers because the Republic had become an empire. When the Republic became an empire, the Republic senators instantly became Imperial senators. Same senate, different title for the galactic leader, and different title for the senators as well. And just as the Republic senators became known as Imperial senators after the Republic became an empire, likewise the Republic army became known as the Imperial army. :holosid:

[MandalorianJF]

Sorry, but it is correct. The stormtroopers are clones of Jango Fett. Lucas has said this, and it is also why he rerecorded, or so I read, the stormtroopers voices on the latest versions of the DVDs, with Jango's voice (or maybe it was only Boba Fett's voice he redubbed, I'm not sure).

The stormtroopers of ANH, TESB, and ROTJ were all clones. Thus, the Imperial Army is the Clone Army. The Old Trilogy clones were called Imperial troopers because the Republic had become an empire. When the Republic became an empire, the Republic senators instantly became Imperial senators. Same senate, different title for the galactic leader, and different title for the senators as well. And just as the Republic senators became known as Imperial senators after the Republic became an empire, likewise the Republic army became known as the Imperial army. :holosid:

yes i know that
but the name has changed and the equipment has changed

[Tovor]

yes i know that
but the name has changed and the equipment has changed
I don't know why we're not seeing eye to eye on this. You asked if the AT-AT and AT-ST, which weren't seen in the prequels, were part of the Clone army, and I told you that they were because the Imperial army in ANH, TESB, and ROTJ was the Clone army.

Just like the Republic Star Destroyers which were seen sporting the red Republic colors for the majority of ROTS, became Imperial Star Destroyers by the end of the film. Same ships, but sporting different flags, but still the same ships. Likewise, the Clone army and the imperial army were one and the same, merely flying different flags.

[MandalorianJF]

I don't know why we're not seeing eye to eye on this. You asked if the AT-AT and AT-ST, which weren't seen in the prequels, were part of the Clone army, and I told you that they were because the Imperial army in ANH, TESB, and ROTJ was the Clone army.

Just like the Republic Star Destroyers which were seen sporting the red Republic colors for the majority of ROTS, became Imperial Star Destroyers by the end of the film. Same ships, but sporting different flags, but still the same ships. Likewise, the Clone army and the imperial army were one and the same, merely flying different flags.

The SD that you see in AOTC & ROTS are not the SD that you see in ANH, TESB, and ROTJ.

And my original question was that are the AT-ATs and the AT-STs a part of the clone army. In between ROTS and ANH 19 years passed and the army got upgraded, so my question is: was the AT-ATs & AT-STs a part of the upgrade or were they there originally.

[Cydon]

From the Battle on Jabiim:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:AT-AT_Jabiim.jpg

[MandalorianJF]

From the Battle on Jabiim:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:AT-AT_Jabiim.jpg

You mean the AT-ATs were on battle of Jabiim?

[Tovor]

This is supposed to be my sig pic (http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/6728/forumjf2sg5.jpg), please explain me how make my sig pic visible.

Having trouble with your sig pic?

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/6728/forumjf2sg5.jpg

Take the link to your image at http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/6728/forumjf2sg5.jpg and put [img] on both sides, with / after the [ and before the img of the second code.

[MandalorianJF]

Having trouble with your sig pic?

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/6728/forumjf2sg5.jpg

Take the link to your image at http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/6728/forumjf2sg5.jpg and put [img] on both sides, with / after the [ and before the img of the second code.

I appreciate the help, but it still does not work.
I made a screen capture of a part of my profile, take a look, put one important thing there is a rectangle.

and thanks anyways

[Tovor]

What I wrote is the way to it, or at least it was previously. The board owner may have sig pic options turned off. Post your question in the Feedback section and see what the mods or admins can tell you.

[MandalorianJF]

What I wrote is the way to it, or at least it was previously. The board owner may have sig pic options turned off. Post your question in the Feedback section and see what the mods or admins can tell you.

well...OK thanks

[JMAS]

To input my 2¢ on the clone army vs Imperial army, I think, Tovor and MandolorianJF, you are both correct and incorrect.

The moment Palpatine declared himself Emperor, the clone army became the Imperial Army, and they were all still clones of Jango Fett at that time.

However, by the time of the ANH, ESB and ROTJ, the Imperial stormtrooper ranks, while still made up of clones (as stated by George Lucas), they were from new genetic templates and not still the Jango clones of the clone wars. It wouldn't be possible. The clones were grown with growth accelerant and therefore would age at twice the rate of a normal human. So at the time of ANH, any of Jango's clones would be in actual age, in their mid 50's-60's, but physically their bodies would have been twice that ... hence dead, or not far from it.

[MandalorianJF]

To input my 2¢ on the clone army vs Imperial army, I think, Tovor and MandolorianJF, you are both correct and incorrect.

The moment Palpatine declared himself Emperor, the clone army became the Imperial Army, and they were all still clones of Jango Fett at that time.

However, by the time of the ANH, ESB and ROTJ, the Imperial stormtrooper ranks, while still made up of clones (as stated by George Lucas), they were from new genetic templates and not still the Jango clones of the clone wars. It wouldn't be possible. The clones were grown with growth accelerant and therefore would age at twice the rate of a normal human. So at the time of ANH, any of Jango's clones would be in actual age, in their mid 50's-60's, but physically their bodies would have been twice that ... hence dead, or not far from it.

So how am I incorrect?

And can you please answer the first question.

[Cydon]

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/7/79/Jabiim_rain_battle.jpghttp://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/thumb/2/29/AT-AT_Jabiim.jpg/200px-AT-AT_Jabiim.jpg (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:AT-AT_Jabiim.jpg)

[Tovor]

To input my 2¢ on the clone army vs Imperial army, I think, Tovor and MandolorianJF, you are both correct and incorrect.

The moment Palpatine declared himself Emperor, the clone army became the Imperial Army, and they were all still clones of Jango Fett at that time.

However, by the time of the ANH, ESB and ROTJ, the Imperial stormtrooper ranks, while still made up of clones (as stated by George Lucas), they were from new genetic templates and not still the Jango clones of the clone wars. It wouldn't be possible. The clones were grown with growth accelerant and therefore would age at twice the rate of a normal human. So at the time of ANH, any of Jango's clones would be in actual age, in their mid 50's-60's, but physically their bodies would have been twice that ... hence dead, or not far from it.

Well, they didn't produce a few million clones without somehow being able to reproduce the original DNA samples from Jango. They sure didn't get all those samples from his body at one time, and after he died at the start of the Clone Wars, they must have had a way to keep pumping out new clones, which would seem to me that once they had his DNA they were able to recreate it it for the next generation of clones. So if they could recreate it then (which I'm assuming), then why couldn't they keep recreating it for the next 20 years?

[Cydon]

Because the Emperor thought that cloning from one man was to dangerous, and that they were too prone to revolt. He instead cloned of of different "templates" from Mt. Tantiss.

[MandalorianJF]

Because the Emperor thought that cloning from one man was to dangerous, and that they were too prone to revolt. He instead cloned of of different "templates" from Mt. Tantiss.

who is Mt. Tantiss?

[Mothman]

.....So at the time of ANH, any of Jango's clones would be in actual age, in their mid 50's-60's, but physically their bodies would have been twice that.....

Maybe that's why they were such poor shots, and generally not the greatest soldiers that you could find. :cool:

[Darth Massacrus]

Actually, in Battlefront II, after the Kamino uprising, it is revealed that the Empire started to use more than one source for thier stormtrooper clones. In addition, there were always conscripts and enlistments, even the Grand Army had them. One of the first clone templates after Kamino was created from Admiral Barrow Oicunn, who can be seen on the Venator Bridge in the crew pit next to Tarkin in ROTS. Later, after Endor, Thrawn used eople like Maximillian Veers, Grodin Tierce, and others as clone templates.

[MandalorianJF]

Maybe that's why they were such poor shots, and generally not the greatest soldiers that you could find. :cool:

:ohhlala: ;) :ohhlala:

[JMAS]

who is Mt. Tantiss?

Not who, but where. Mount Tantiss was on the planet Wayland and the location of one of Palpatines storehouses for technology, treasure, etc. And there was a collection of Spaarti cloning cylinders located there also.

[MandalorianJF]

Not who, but where. Mount Tantiss was on the planet Wayland and the location of one of Palpatines storehouses for technology, treasure, etc. And there was a collection of Spaarti cloning cylinders located there also.

oh...ok thanks