Dark Lords of the Sith

[Darth Massacrus]

Courtesy of me, Darth Massacrus, is a list of all known Dark Lords of the Sith in order:

King Adas
Dathka Graush
Ajunta Pall
Tulak Hord
Darth Andeddu
Marka Ragnos
Naga Sadow
Ludo Kressh
Freedon Nadd
Exar Kun
Darth Revan
Darth Malak
Darth Traya
Darth Nihilus
Darth Ruin
Dark Underlord
Belia Darzu
Darth Rivan
Lord Kaan
Darth Bane
Darth Zannah
Darth Cognus
Darth Millennial
Darth Vectivus
Darth Plagueis
Darth Sidious
Darth Vader
Lumiya
Darth Krayt

[Konig15]

You forgot
Darth Tyranus
Darth Maul

And though not technically a Sith, he is usually considered an honorary one:
Xendor
Dark Jedi, leader of Legion of Lettow

[DarthSolo]

I saw a list like this somewhere else in this forum, but I think it included all Dark Jedi. IIRC, Ithorian Guy put it together. I couldn't find it because my search tool wasn't working properly for some reason.

[Marko Ragnos]

You forgot
Darth Tyranus
Darth Maul

And though not technically a Sith, he is usually considered an honorary one:
Xendor
Dark Jedi, leader of Legion of Lettow

Tyranus and Maul was apprentices, not Dark Lords.

[Konig15]

Master and Apprentice hold 'Dark Lord of the Sith' title simultainously, theoretically making them equals, in fact, being "one to have power, one to crave power" to quote that Bane of the Galaxcy...

[Marko Ragnos]

Well, if apprentices are 'counted' then I have a lot more of them.

[Darth Massacrus]

Darth Massacrus here. Seems this forum got some notice. Might want to look at the ones Idid on the Imperial Dignitaries if you liked this one. As for Maul and Tyrannus, they were Sith Lords, but not the Dark Lord, as they were apprentices to Sidious and for the reason that there could only be one Dark Lord at a time, just as it had always been. The reason Kaan is listed without his other 'Dark Lords' is because being the Sith's leader at the time, Kaan was default Dark Lord, whether he claimed the title or not. As for Vader, he became Dark Lord when Sidious ascended to Galactic Emperor, arguably a more powerful title than Dark Lord of the Sith. If you wish to know about any other Dark Lords, let me know!

[DarthSolo]

I question the logic of not including Tyranus and Maul, but including Vader. As far as the Sith were concerned, Vader was still the apprentice as were Tyranus and Maul. Galactic Emperor is not a Sith ranking. It's a political position. If being the most powerful political figure in the galaxy is a ranking, then Supreme Chancellor would be a Sith ranking, and therefore Dooku would have been "Lord".

[Darth Massacrus]

Darth Massacrus can explain about Vader. Of all the sources I can think of(a LOT), none state Dooku or Maul specifically as being Dark Lords without some other source proving this wrong. As for Vader, he has been a Dark Lord since at least the novelization of A New Hope. In fact, every original trilogy novelization states him to be Dark Lord of the Sith, while none connect the Sith to The Emperor. Also, When the Clone Emperor visits Korriban( the Sith homeworld and burial planet of thier Lords and Dark Lords) in 11ABY, the spirits of Dark Lords past demand of him why 'Vader's throne sits empty'. When Palpatine ascended to Emperor, I believe that he transcended being Dark Lord and gave the rank to Vader. In fact, I cannot think of any other logical reason, but if someone else does let me know.

[DarthSolo]

How about this: any Sith, apprentice or Master, is considered a Lord. Just because the OT novelizations don't mention Sidious as a Sith, doesn't mean he isn't one. I'm pretty sure the PT (a more legit source) has something to say about Sidious being a Sith. He didn't stop being a Sith when he started being the Empire. "Dark Lord of the Sith" is not the only title he can have. He definetly held the titles of "Senator" and "Supreme Chancellor" while holding the title "Dark Lord of the Sith".

What sources have you saying Dooku and Maul AREN'T considered Dark Lords of the Sith? It's been a while since I've watched TPM, but I think I recall Sidious referring to Maul as "Lord Maul."

[Zebra 6]

Good point. Also, Vader was always lord vader. We know this because when he walks into the room on Mustafar the Viceroy calls him such. And this was before the Chancellor became the Emperor. So I have to believe that once you become a sith you are automatically a lord.

[Darth Massacrus]

Massacrus here. If it helps, I'll let you all know a summary of Sith History. The Sith were originally a red skinned, bony, humanoid species on the planet Korriban in the Outer Rim. They had many separate tribes. In 28000 BBY, a dark skinned Sith leader named Adas united all of Korribans Sith into one unified people. Shortly after this, Korriban was invaded by Dark Side aliens called the Rakata (who had invented the hyperdrive) who attempted to enslave the Sith, but were defeated by Adas' forces, though Adas lost is life and the Sith retreated to the planet Ziost. In 6900 BBY, exiled Dark Jedi from the Hundred Years Darkness crashed on Ziost and subjugated the Sith, making themselves Lords of the Sith and the strongest Sith Lord becoming Dark Lord of the Sith. By 5000 BBY, the Sith had formed an Empire in the farthest reaches of the Outer Rim, and the Sith, led by Dark Lord Naga Sadow, invaded the Republic, but were destroyed and hunted to extinction by the Jedi and Republic military in the Great Hyperspace War. Sadow survived, and took his Massassi warriors and hid in huge Sith temples on Yavin 4. There he waited, until 4400 BBY, when a Jedi named Freedon Nadd fell to the Dark Side and went to Yavin 4, killed Sadow after learning Sith secrets,, and became the new Dark Lord. He conquered Onderon, and his descendants ruled it with the Dark Side. In 4000 BBY, the Jedi cleansed Onderon, but Nadds spirit corrupted Jedi Knight Exar Kun to the Dark Side and Kun formed an alliance with the Krath armed forces and the Mandalorians, and waged war on the Republic in the Great Sith War from Yavin 4. However, he was betrayed by his apprentice, Ulic Qel-Droma, and the Jedi purged Yavin 4 of all life. However, the Mandalorians grew in the War, and 20 years later they attacked the Republic in the Mandalorian Wars, until Jedi led by Revan and Malak defeated the Mandalorians at Malachor 5. But Malachor 5 had a Sith Academy on it, and Revan and Malak embraced the Dark Side, adding the title of Darth to thier names and becoming the new Sith Lords. In the middle of the conflict, Malak became Dark Lord when he let the Jedi capture Revan, but Revan was redeemed and went on to defeat Malak and the Sith. However, by the wars end, barely 100 Jedi were left in the galaxy, and Revan's old Jedi Master 'Kreia' became Darth Traya, Dark Lady of the Sith, and along with Darths Nihilus and Sion unleashed the First Great Jedi Purge, nearly extincting the Jedi before being stopped and defeated by an exiled Jedi Knight. The Sith remnants destroyed themselves in civil war. In 2000 BBY, a Jedi Master fell to the Dark Side, became Darth Ruin, and created a new Sith Order that neqrly conquered the Republic, but was eventually destroyed in 1000 BBY at the battle of Ruusaan. Only one Sith Lord, Darth Bane, survived, and he reformed the Sith so that there would onl be two at any one time. His eventual successor as Dark Lord, Darth Sidious, would succeed in destroying the Jedi and the Republic, and became Galactic Emperor, with his apprentice, Darth Vader, taking over as Dark Lord. When both perished at Endor in 4 ABY, one of thier Emperors Hands named Lumiya became the new Dark Lady( the female version of Dark Lord), and in 40 ABY turned Vaders grandson Jacen Solo to the Dark Side. By 130 ABY, tthe Sith were once again numerous and were rulers of the Galaxy, under the leadership of Darth Krayt.

[DarthSolo]

Thank you for that history lesson. I fail to see how that establishes that there can only be one Dark Lord of the Sith. Where in the Sith rules does it say that? And if the Master is always Dark Lord, why, within the ranks of the SITH (not political, for Emperor is a political position) would Vader retain the rank and not Maul or Tyranus? You ignore Zebra's point that Vader was called "Lord" before the Empire had formed.

[Darth Octavious]

...In 2000 BBY, a Jedi Master fell to the Dark Side, became Darth Ruin, and created a new Sith Order that neqrly conquered the Republic, but was eventually destroyed in 1000 BBY at the battle of Ruusaan. Only one Sith Lord, Darth Bane, survived, and he reformed the Sith so that there would onl be two at any one time.
For more history lessons you can read the book coming out on September 26th. Path of Destruction - Its about Darth Bane and the Sith

[Darth Massacrus]

:banghead: Because Darth Bane, the founder of the Sith incarnation that Darth Sidious was a member of, had specifically designed the Order so that there could NEVER be more than two Sith at a time. He did this because he believed that the fewer Sith there were, the greater in each one the Dark Side was concentrated. Only two there could be, a Master, who would wear the title of Dark Lord, and an apprentice, who would wear the title of Sith Lord. After the death of Darth Tyrannus, only a master remained, but soon Vader became the apprentice with the title of Lord, meaning Sith Lord, but when Sidious became Emperor of the Galaxy, he no longer needed to be Dark Lord, so Vader took the dark mantle. But because he was still an apprentice to Sidious, he still had to call Sidious 'master'. Because the Rule of Two instituted by Darth Bane was no longer needed now that the Sith were victorious and galactic rulers, the apprentice could be called Dark Lord. In fact, even after Vaders death and Palpatines clone return, there were only self appointed Dark Lords and Lady's, like Lumiya and Carnor Jax. As for Tyrannus and Maul, when each one died the Rule of Two was still in effect, so that is why they were Sith Lords but Vader was Dark Lord!:mad: :mad: :mad:

[DarthSolo]

:banghead: Because Darth Bane, the founder of the Sith incarnation that Darth Sidious was a member of, had specifically designed the Order so that there could NEVER be more than two Sith at a time. He did this because he believed that the fewer Sith there were, the greater in each one the Dark Side was concentrated. Only two there could be, a Master, who would wear the title of Dark Lord, and an apprentice, who would wear the title of Sith Lord. After the death of Darth Tyrannus, only a master remained, but soon Vader became the apprentice with the title of Lord, meaning Sith Lord, but when Sidious became Emperor of the Galaxy, he no longer needed to be Dark Lord, so Vader took the dark mantle. But because he was still an apprentice to Sidious, he still had to call Sidious 'master'. Because the Rule of Two instituted by Darth Bane was no longer needed now that the Sith were victorious and galactic rulers, the apprentice could be called Dark Lord. In fact, even after Vaders death and Palpatines clone return, there were only self appointed Dark Lords and Lady's, like Lumiya and Carnor Jax. As for Tyrannus and Maul, when each one died the Rule of Two was still in effect, so that is why they were Sith Lords but Vader was Dark Lord!:mad: :mad: :mad:
Yes, I know what your argument is. You are making yourself plenty clear. I just don't buy it. Why would Sidious drop the title Dark Lord of the Sith when he became Emperor? He can still be both. The Rule of Two is never broken. I am wondering, what source you have that says there is a Rule of One "Dark Lord of the Sith."

For more history lessons you can read the book coming out on September 26th. Path of Destruction - Its about Darth Bane and the Sith
I know! I am really looking forward to that book! YEAH!

[Darth Massacrus]

did you ever read the Tales of the Jedi trade paperbacks? In the one called Dark Lords of the Sith, it states that there can only be one Dark Lord at a time. This same idea is repeated in the KOTOR games, in which Dark Lord Malak becomes the Dark Lord when the previous Dark Lord, Revan is 'killed'. Even then the idea was that there was only one Dark Lord, with Malak the aprentice and a Sith Lord. When Malak became Dark Lord, he appointed a new apprentice to be the second Sith Lord, Darth Bandon, and later Bastila Shan. During the time of Lord Kaan, many held the title of Dark Lord, but still answered to Kaan, making Kaan default Dark Lord. When Kaan and those Dark Lords were destroyed by the thought bomb, Darth Bane, the lone survivor, instituted a new rule, the Rule of Two, so that the Dark Side would be better concentrated within the two Sith, a Dark Lord who was master and a Sith Lord who was apprentice. It was to this rule that Sidious subscribed, meaning that Maul and Tyrannus could never be Dark Lords under the Rule of Two until the Jedi and Republic were destroyed, which was the ultimate goal of the Rule of Two and the Sith Order of Darth Bane. Vader was able to become Dark Lord because the Jedi had already begun to be destroyed and the Republic was dying, and because Sidious would soon not need to be Dark Lord of the Sith, for he would in effect be Dark Lord of the entire galaxy, rather than just of the Sith. Besides, Sidious needed to keep Anakin/Vader bound to the Dark Side, so he made him Dark Lord. Essentially, the rule of one Dark Lord at a time goes back to the earliest incrnations of the Sith, and never truly was broken until the Sith had extracted thier revenge on the Jedi and Galaxy. Besides, even when Sidious went to Korriban in 11 ABY to seek wisdom of past Dark Lords, they refered to him as 'Emperor of many worlds' but still refered to the fact that 'Vader's throne sits empty'. Thats right, the Ancient Dark Lords themselves regarded Sidious as Emperor but Vader as Dark Lord. If you doubt that, read Empires End. Also, read Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith, and play the Kotor games if you need to know sources about why and when there were only one Dark Lord at a time.

[DarthSolo]

There we go! Those were the sources I wanted. I have not played KOTOR nor read those comics, so I was not informed of this "Rule of One". I think it's unecessary, but it's canonical, so cool! Thank you for informing me of such things, though if I ever do read/play those sources and you've lied to me, I will show you what the Dark Side is all about! :P

[Darth Massacrus]

If you havent read Empires End( and I bet because it is impossible to find anywhere), I have good news, they have just reprinted Dark Empire and Dark Empire 2, and in the Dark Empire 2 reprint is Empires End as well. Look for it in bookstores nationwide! Also, they soon will be reprinting Tales of the Jedi in that Omnibus series, so if you (like me have or had trouble finding TOJ), are looking to see those comics they will be out again in Omnibus in a couple of months! As for the KOTOR games, they are available in any place that sells videogames, but the Startegy Guides for them are damn near impossible to find, so if you EVER see one for the Kotor 1 or Kotor 2, buy it immediately because you may never get another chance. In fact, in those games, the tombs of 6 different Dark Lords of the Sith can be explored! Massacrus out.:)

[Darth Massacrus]

new updates on the Dark Lords of the Sith. The most recent Dark Lord, Darth Krayt, goes to Korribans Valley of the Dark Lords to access the Holocrons of Ancient Dark Lords Darth Andeddu, Darth Nihilus, and Darth Bane. This could be interpreted as being a hint that Darth Bane had a tomb on Korriban, but this is pure speculation. What is interesting is that not only did Darth Nihilus create a holocron, but that his holocron survived its masters demise. The only other artifact of Darth Nihilus known to have done that is his mask, and that is only because the Exile asked Visas Marr to save it. Makes you wonder just where those two artifacts were all those millennia between the Shadow War and the time of Darth Krayt...

[Darth Massacrus]

who here has seen this thread?

[Cydon]

Me, you, and the mod. Obviously, if no one but them have been here, then people aren't interested. LOL

[Darth Massacrus]

dammit, cyde, I keep missing you:lol:

[matthius]

Qoute: Darth Massacrus - This could be interpreted as being a hint that Darth Bane had a tomb on Korriban, but this is pure speculation. What is interesting is that not only did Darth Nihilus create a holocron, but that his holocron survived its masters demise. The only other artifact of Darth Nihilus known to have done that is his mask, and that is only because the Exile asked Visas Marr to save it. Makes you wonder just where those two artifacts were all those millennia between the Shadow War and the time of Darth Krayt... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Matthius/me - I'm sure Darth Bane's tomb would be somewere else, his ideals are all against what Korriban's whole sith history have come to represent(i.e. the dumb rule of one). Technically the Exile can also refuse the mask, so I wouldn't expect it to surface any time soon (in Legacy either). And Darth Sion is also missing from this list (although was being trained by Darth Kreia/treya near his demise).

[Darth Massacrus]

Good point, but Darth Bane destroyed the Brotherhood of Darkness because he realized how flawed it was AFTER he had studied Korribans tombs. And his final fate is still unknown...maybe he did have a tomb built for him by Darth Zannah... And just how did Lord Krayt acquire the holocrons that he did? The holocron of Darth Andeddu was last known to have been in the possession of Darth Tyrannus, Darth Bane's holocron probably would have been in the possession of Palpatine at one point, but the Holocron of Darth Nihilus had to have been somewhere other than the Ravager, Nihilus' domain. Perhaps Sion or Traya gave it to the Exile, or the Exile salvaged it from Malachor before it's destruction, which is an uncertain event in itself? And as for Sion, he was 'merely' a Lord of the Sith, not a Dark Lord/Lady of the Sith like Nihilus or Traya. And going back to Darth Bane, which tombs on Korriban did he visit? Possibly the tombs of Tulak Hord and Ajunta Pall, as both were known to have been plundered and their contained spirits removed, but certianly not Sadows Tomb or that of Ragnos or Andeddu or Graush. Just makes one wonder....

[matthius]

I wasn't a 100% on Sion so thanks Massacrus, but I don't see your point on Bane's tomb? Bane talked about how ravaged and plundered the ruins were, and if I remember correctly, he was looking for a fresh tomb or a spirit of an ancient dark lord/He studied ancient readings in the library of the ancient sith. And even then I still don't see your point, Darth Bane didn't like the brotherhood or it's old ways in the end, therefore I can only surmise that Bane didn't like Korriban and what it has come to represent. You can also factor in that in being secretive about the sith, and going and making your barial site on the most notorious dark side planet, might get the Jedi to notice a new sith order.

[Darth Massacrus]

not really. Bane knew that the Brotherhood and its members were unworthy, and thus the Ancient Dark Lords did not appear to them. And Bane also knew that most of the tombs that where near the Korriban Academy (Pall, Hord, Ragnos, Sadow) had already been plundered as much by the Jedi as by Malaks Sith. Besides, Korriban had multiple burial Valleys containing multiple tombs, an example being the fact that Dark Lord Dathka Graush was interred in the Valley of Golg, and even in 0 BBY the tomb was mostly intact. And the Great Valley of the Dark Lords itself had many secrets still available, as when Emperor Palpatine visited in 11 ABY to consult with Dark Lords past, he went to the part of the Valley containing the Oracle Stone, a part of the Valley which looks a hell of a lot like the same parts of the Valley Exar Kun visited. Another feature of the Valley of the Dark Lords that Darth Bane probably did not get to see is the tomb of Darth Andeddu. This is evidenced by the fact that even in 20 BBY, when Quinlan Vos came to the tomb, it was entirely intact, still containing Andeddu's Sith Holocron. But the greatest point I can make in this is the fact that Marka Ragnos' ghost was still inside his tomb in 14 ABY, long after the tomb had been pillaged by the Sith and Jedi's later incarnations. As for why it did not appear to Bane, Bane was still part of the Brotherhood, and not a full Sith yet, so Lord Ragnos would not have granted Bane an audience with his spirit. Besides, who knows what is on the other side of the Valley? More tombs? Monuments? Another valley?

[Cydon]

dammit, cyde, I keep missing you:lol:
LOL! Look at that time difference!

[Darth Massacrus]

wait, where ARE you on Earth? I,m at college in WV...

[Cydon]

You take the east coast and I'll take the west coast and I'll be in Canada before you!

[Darth Massacrus]

Oregon?

[Cydon]

Washington.

[Darth Massacrus]

That was my other guess:lol:

Seriously though, we really ought to get back to the Dark Lords...

[Cydon]

As in John Kerry?

[Darth Massacrus]

hehehheheheheh. SW Dark Lords, not people like Senator Kerry...

BTW: you a liberal?

[Cydon]

Or Ted Kennedy? And no I'm not.

[Darth Massacrus]

neither am I. Thank God. :lol: what I would like to discuss, even jokingly, is The Dark Lords of the Sith, not the ones on Earth...

[Cydon]

Okay you win. Your sure this isn't for Nancy Pelusi?

[matthius]

not really. Bane knew that the Brotherhood and its members were unworthy, and thus the Ancient Dark Lords did not appear to them. And Bane also knew that most of the tombs that where near the Korriban Academy (Pall, Hord, Ragnos, Sadow) had already been plundered as much by the Jedi as by Malaks Sith. Besides, Korriban had multiple burial Valleys containing multiple tombs, an example being the fact that Dark Lord Dathka Graush was interred in the Valley of Golg, and even in 0 BBY the tomb was mostly intact. And the Great Valley of the Dark Lords itself had many secrets still available, as when Emperor Palpatine visited in 11 ABY to consult with Dark Lords past, he went to the part of the Valley containing the Oracle Stone, a part of the Valley which looks a hell of a lot like the same parts of the Valley Exar Kun visited. Another feature of the Valley of the Dark Lords that Darth Bane probably did not get to see is the tomb of Darth Andeddu. This is evidenced by the fact that even in 20 BBY, when Quinlan Vos came to the tomb, it was entirely intact, still containing Andeddu's Sith Holocron. But the greatest point I can make in this is the fact that Marka Ragnos' ghost was still inside his tomb in 14 ABY, long after the tomb had been pillaged by the Sith and Jedi's later incarnations. As for why it did not appear to Bane, Bane was still part of the Brotherhood, and not a full Sith yet, so Lord Ragnos would not have granted Bane an audience with his spirit. Besides, who knows what is on the other side of the Valley? More tombs? Monuments? Another valley?
But in the end of what you just said Darth Bane still isn't even on par and deosn't like the old ways that Pall, Hord, Ragnos, and Sadow, even in their time, came to represent. I'm sure even though Bane came to study and learn from the ancient Sith he didn't like their ways, there's no way he likes Korriban.

[Darth Massacrus]

Actually, Lord Bane respected his forebears. Just as long as they were not part of the Brotherhood of Darkness. Why else wound he go to Rakata Prime/Lehon, the Tombs of Korriban and that of Freedon Nadd on Dxun, and other places? Indeed, it was the teaachings of the Ancient Sith, together with those of Darth Revan, that Lord Bane based his Order of the Sith Lords upon.

[Cydon]

Where, when and how did the Sith originate.

[Darth Massacrus]

doesnt this belong in the EUQuiz thread? and Ive posted this several times in other threads...

[Cydon]

No, just wondering. I don't get around much out of the Jedi Library. Jocasta Nu locked me in. Again.

[Darth Massacrus]

well, the posts are in the Jedi Library. BTW: while your in there, can you steal me a Sith Holocron? :lol:

[Cydon]

Nope sorry. I'm only an Admiral remember? That reminds me. I'm gonna change my avatar.

[Darth Massacrus]

Hey, how come youre not a Dark Lord or Grand Admiral anymore?

[Cydon]

I had to change to Faie for a while.

[Cydon]

Oh, and Mandalorian Grand Admiral doesnt fit on the line.

[Darth Massacrus]

me, I'm content being a senior member. And a Lord of the Sith. And Master of the Star Forge. :lol:

[Cydon]

Ahh shut up.

[Darth Massacrus]

still, you got the better signature...

[Cydon]

I'm gonna change it right now.

[matthius]

not saying Bane didn't respect his elders, He learned from their mistakes and did build upon these in his new sith order like you said(massacrus). But besides the point of Bane not agreeing with the old ways, the Jedi would probably be watching Korriban pretty well after they supposedly destroyed the Brotherhood after the 7th battle of Ruusan(circa 1000 BBY); making a big tomb in the desert might get some attention.

[huttslime]

the ones i dashed are the ones i never heard of:

- King Adas
- Dathka Graush
Ajunta Pall
Tulak Hord
- Darth Andeddu
Marka Ragnos
Naga Sadow
Ludo Kressh
Freedon Nadd
Exar Kun
Darth Revan
Darth Malak
Darth Traya
Darth Nihilus
- Darth Ruin
- Dark Underlord
- Belia Darzu
- Darth Rivan
Lord Kaan
Darth Bane
- Darth Zannah
- Darth Cognus
- Darth Millennial
- Darth Vectivus
Darth Plagueis
Darth Sidious
Darth Vader
Lumiya
- Darth Krayt

where did you get the ones i dont know of from (i bet some of them are from the kotor comics)

[huttslime]

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[Cydon]

I think he means "Revan," not Rivan.

[Cydon]

Want pictures? I think I'll start a thread... when I reach 400 posts.

[huttslime]

I think he means "Revan," not Rivan.


Revan is already on the list though.

[Cydon]

I see. Good point.

[huttslime]

Will have to ask darth about that...

[Cydon]

Yep. What time is it over there in NC?

[huttslime]

7:18 PM.

[huttslime]

How can your location be mandalore, its a person, not a location.

[Cydon]

Its also a planet.

[huttslime]

but its long dead (or was it coruscant?)

[matthius]

I think he means "Revan," not Rivan.
Rivan is indeed a different Sith Lord, and I'm super lazy about writing what I've read about him so I'll just go with wookiepedia's explanation of Darth Rivan >http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Rivan

[Cydon]

lol. Okay thanks.

[matthius]

what's so funny?

[Cydon]

Oh nuthin...

[Darth Massacrus]

actually, Darth Rivan predates any mention of Darth Revan, despite the fact that Rivan was about 2500 years after Revan...

[huttslime]

?

[Darth Massacrus]

have you played Kotor?

[huttslime]

definitley

[Darth Massacrus]

well, you know of Revan then. As for Rivan, do a google search or go to the Wizards site to read about him.

[Cydon]

I did. Very interesting character.

[Darth Massacrus]

have you read the Wizards story about Dark Lord Dathka Graush?

[Cydon]

Nope. Not yet.

[Darth Massacrus]

the story on Lord Graush is the best of all the Planet Hoppers stories, bar none.

[Cydon]

OK. Give me a month... I might be able to get to it.

[Darth Massacrus]

:lol:

[Cydon]

Maybe funny to you! And here goes my 500th post...

About Nilihus... Who is he/she?

[Darth Massacrus]

cyde: for the 501st post, create a thread for the 501st Legion!

[Cydon]

I did!

[huttslime]

You can find out more about Nihilus in KotOR II

[Darth Massacrus]

Actually, rather little is known of Lord Nihilus, other than that he was a male, probably human or humanoid. He was controlled by an overwhelming hunger, so much so that he ceased to be a living being and became a wound in the Force. He spoke with slurred speech, and communicated through telepathic means, as his speech was unreadable. This would be evidenced by the fact that even his Sith Holocron would speak in this dialect, and even other Sith Dark Lords, like Krayt, would be unable to understand it. Apparently, Nihilus was a victim of the Battle of Malachor 5, and survived being destroyed by the echoes by preserving himself in his armor/robes, and becoming himself a wound in the Force, as Darth Krayt would later hint at. His hunger gave him great abilities, but despite being able to hold together unspaceworthy craft through willpower and being able to leech the lifeforce of entire worlds, he was still consumed by his own hunger. It would have taken another person who had become a 'wound in the Force' and/or had the Force stripped from them to withstand Nihilus' leeching, which was eexactly how the Jedi Exile was able to slay the Dark Lord in lightsaber combat. Before his remaining body and robes were disintegrated in a cloud of Darkside energy, The Exile had his redeemed apprentice, Visas Marr, retieve the Dark Lords Mask. That and his Sith Holocron are the only things left of the Dark Lord Nihilus.

[Cydon]

Thanks, Darth.

[huttslime]

One of the planets he "ate" was that Katarr planet, with the blind force-sensitives. (in kotor 2) Visas Marr was the only survivor, and became the apprentice of Nihilus.

[Darth Massacrus]

Katarr was not the Miraluka homeworld, but a major colony world. The homeworld of the Miralukans was Apherides.

[huttslime]

I was talking about Visas Marr though, she was Katarr.

Never heard of Miraluka...

[Darth Massacrus]

Katarr was a planet colonized by the Miralukan species of the planet Apherides, to which Visas Marr belonged. The species is Miralukan, Katarr being simply a formr colony world of theirs.

[huttslime]

I think I should pay more attention to the dialog instead of skipping through it...

[Darth Massacrus]

sure sounds like it...

[huttslime]

Most certainly, definitely, absolutely, 100%, completely, and from the beginning to the end.

[Darth Massacrus]

There ya go!

[Cydon]

2 more weeks until KOTOR...

[Darth Massacrus]

Lets discuss Dark Lord Freedon Nadd...

[Balnazzar]

Freedon Nadd is a sith Lord who started his life as a Jedi. He turned to the dark side when he was told by his Jedi masters that he would not receive his promotion to Jedi Knight. He gave in his anger(which dominated in him) and he killed his Jedi master. After that he fled to the jungle moon of Yavin 4. He searched for the Sith Naga Sadow, and he became his apprentice. He had great knowledge about ancient Sith artifacts.
He taught the Onderonians( on the planet Onderon) about Sith lore and magic, becoming a sort of a god to them. When he died he was able to preserve his spirit inside one of the ancient artifacts. Later the exiled Jedi Exar Kun discovered the artifacts and he was controlled by Nadd's evil spirit. Because of that Kun became a powerful Sith, so powerul that in time he exterminated Nadd's spirit. Then he took complete control of the race on Yavin 4.
Well, that is what I know about Freedon Nadd. This is only a brief story, though. If you have something to add,..

[tunneldwellers]

You forgot dark sith lord jonathan.

[huttslime]

I have something to add: Darth bane comes with zannath to study his schoolwork there. (there = the tomb)

[Darth Massacrus]

Freedon nadd stuff to follow soon...

[Darth Massacrus]

cyde: in a few days, or weeks, I will have the most detailed biography of Lord Nadd ever. In fact, I am writing stories of ALL the Dark Lords....

[huttslime]

Wow. That must be some work.

[Darth Massacrus]

it is. I'm currently up to Naga Sadow...

[Cydon]

You should start a website Darth.

[Darth Massacrus]

That IS something Ive been meaning to do...

But getting back to the Dark Lords, I just finished Naga Sadow.


While we are on the topic, what do you think about Lord Sadow?

[huttslime]

2 questions:

1: why do you call all the dark jedis "Lords?"
2: you can PM me about hosting, which isn't really a question?

Naga Sadow Fact Collection (by who=me):

Dark Lord, good at using blades, has a tomb on korriban, is infamous/famous, has fun in his grave.

[Darth Massacrus]

I refer to the dark Jedi as 'Dark Jedi Lords' because it was these Jedi that later became Lords and Dark Lords of the Sith. Also, the ancient Jedi themselves would refer to the Dark Jedi and Dark Lords as one, so I morphed the names. Furthermore, some of the Essential Guides refer to the final battle of that Hundred Years Darkness as the final defeat of the Dark Lords, seemingly indicating that the exiled Dark Jedi termed themselves Lords even during the Hundred Year Darkness. So basically, I use the term 'Dark Jedi Lords' for clarity and accuracies sake.

[Cydon]

3 days later, and yet no answer. Where the hell is Darth anyway? I haven't seem him for a couple of days. Is he dead? lol

[Darth Massacrus]

hello folks! remember when I said I had those biographies of the Dark Lords? Well, I have just uploaded the one on King Adas. It, (and for the record all the biographies) contains speculation derived from only canon sources and logical deduction. Everything is accurate. Enjoy! BTW: if the files size is small enough, I shall include the biographies of other Dark Lords. currently, I am working on Naga Sadow...

[huttslime]

Can I post it on my website once it's up and running? Which should be soon.


Edit: Wow that's a lot to read!

I can also incorporate it into a windows application. That would be fun. If you could also make some graphics which I know you can I could make it into a an interesting application. PM me if you want to do that.

[Darth Massacrus]

ah, good to see someone read the biogs. more shall follow. So what did you think about the entries?

[huttslime]

I don't have a chance to read it right now, I have to study some Biology-genetics stuff and then I want to watch either Air Force on or Napoleon Dynamite.

[huttslime]

German for "Oh" or something similair.

[Darth Massacrus]

I knew it sounded familiar...

[bluemilk]

Forums are websites dedicated to sharing information and comments regarding a certain set of user defined topics, ie. Dark Lords of the Sith. They are not chat-rooms or an instant messenging service. Stop using these threads as such and stop posting inane comments that are irrelevant to the topic.

[huttslime]

Inane? I am the Darth Inane if you haven't checked my sig, so I should know if my comments are inane or not.

[bluemilk]

I'm not going to get sucked into a bullsh*t discussion with you about this. You've been warned before and I reported this to the mods so hopefully they will deal with it.

[huttslime]

I just read in the upcoming novels list that there is a Darth Plaguis book coming up in Oct. 08 by James Luceno.

[Blizzard]

I deleted 15 posts that were chatroom quality.

Cut the chatter. If I see one more post here asking someone how their day was your day is not going to be very good.

[Cydon]

:rofl: Okay Blizz. Sorry bout that.

[Darth Massacrus]

A Sith Curse upon you all for taking this thread off topic! now as for the Dark Lords of the Sith, lets discuss Dark Lord Dathka Graush....

[Cydon]

Hey! You were doing it to! Anyway, what happened? I thought you were a DLOS. Instead, your a Senior Member of the Imperial Cabinet.

[Horse_Head]

^ You already asked him that question in another thread... enough with the chit-chat already! Stay on topic or get out.

[Darth Massacrus]

Lets get back on topic, gentlebeings...:yoda:

[Darth Massacrus]

has ANYONE read the biogs I posted????????

[Darth Massacrus]

has ANYONE read the biogs I posted????????


well?????

[Darth Massacrus]

just in case y'all missed it, here is a biography o the earliest known handful of Dark Lords:

[huttslime]

I didn't have time to for quite some time... I think I might as well right now.


edit: tommorow I will return what I thought of what your wrote.

[huttslime]

My report: Very good. You might want to mention that BBY stands for Before Battle of Yavin, not all people know that. Other than that it's pretty good!

PS: You changed your avater back to normal!

[Darth Massacrus]

glad to hear you enjoyed it! and if you'll look, my av. is no longer 'Classic DM'...

[Darth Massacrus]

uh, Cyde: I posted a list of the Dark Lords in the beginning of this thread.

and some of the "Dark Lords" you listed are merely Sith Lords, not Dark Lords....

[Cydon]

Oh yes. Sorry. Thought it was for all Sith.

[Darth Massacrus]

nah, thats another thread. Those who held the Dark Mantle deserve thier own thread.

[Cassus Fett]

The Sith are just a sect of the darkside, so why not have a combined thread discussing all aspects of the darkside groups and have the same with the lightside and the other sides of the force? i'll start them up with the next few hours.

[Darth Massacrus]

an all out Darkside thread is somewhat too general. The same could be spoken for of a lightside thread. But because this is a thread dedicated to those who wore the title of Dark Lord of the Sith, that is what shall be discussed here.