Yoda's Skills

[QuigonWindu]

As we all know Yoda was completelyout of control when he was dueling. Do you think his skills are because of his strength in the force, or does it have something to do with his species. From what happened in TPM, we know Ani is stronger then Yoda in the force. But he cant do that stuff so I think its his race ( species ) that makes him like that.

[AlanRJ]

Personally speaking I don't think it has anything to do with Yoda's species, I just think he is more trained in the art of using the force.

If you think about it, I could be the greatest and strongest person in the world (snicker, snicker) but put me in a boxing ring and I'd probably get my ass kicked from Naboo to Endor!!

Luke was very strong in the force yet Vader kicked his ass in ESB because Luke did not have full control of the force.

So although Anakin may be more powerful than any Jedi alive, he does not necessarily have the relevant skills to control and fully utilise them. Remember, he is only a Padawan at the moment.

Episode III will show him become stronger than even Yoda because he will come with the force fully with him.

[mace]

I agree with you, AllanRJ, except for your last sentence:Episode III will show him become stronger than even Yoda because he will come with the force fully with him.I don't think Anakin will become more powerful than Yoda. We know that Anakin/Vader never even learns to shoot Force Lightning, which means that he never gets to be as powerful as Dooku was in AOTC. And Yoda was definitely more powerful (or at least equally as powerful) as Dooku was. Therefore Anakin never gets to be more powerful than Yoda.

My guess as to why Yoda ends up hiding out on Dagobah is not because he's afraid of Darth Vader, but because he's old and unsure of whether he could defeat the emperor on his own. ("Don't underestimate the power of the Emperor," he tells Luke.) Thus, he hangs out on Dagobah waiting for the New Hope (Luke) to arrive--knowing that he may be needed to train him.

[Darth Badly]

I think George made a big mistake when he came out with that nonsense about Anakin being the most powerful Jedi. It's simply not true. As we've seen Anakin never learns to shoot those blue lightening bolts and that alone puts him way down the league under: the Emperor, Yoda, Dooka and probably many others.

Anakin couldn't even defeat his own untrained son for heavens sake. (And I'm thinking of Empire here where Luke puts up a darn good fight and then gets away.)

I think they played his powers up way too much in TPM in an obvious attempt to make the stupid little kid more interesting than he really was.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by mace@June 28 2002 - 17:28
I don't think Anakin will become more powerful than Yoda. We know that Anakin/Vader never even learns to shoot Force Lightning, which means that he never gets to be as powerful as Dooku was in AOTC. And Yoda was definitely more powerful (or at least equally as powerful) as Dooku was.
But then, we never see Dooku, or Yoda for that matter, choking people with the Force, either...

Therefore Anakin never gets to be more powerful than Yoda.

I think that he does.

I'm gonna go with Palpatine's prediction on this one; since Sidious does remark that "everything is going as planned", and obviously Anakin becoming "even more powerful than Master Yoda" is part of the plan.

[Master Goeweins]

TPM only states that Anakin has more midi-nonsense than Master Yoda. This does not necessarily mean that he is more powerful at that point, he just has potential. Yoda's control is what lets him float around like a gail storm while swinging his little saber. I don't know if Vader does become more powerful, but maybe an equal (meaning undefeatable). Therefore, Yoda hides until The One comes along to train.

[Polunis]

I don't think Anakin will become more powerful than Yoda. We know that Anakin/Vader never even learns to shoot Force Lightning, which means that he never gets to be as powerful as Dooku was in AOTC. And Yoda was definitely more powerful (or at least equally as powerful) as Dooku was. Therefore Anakin never gets to be more powerful than Yoda.

This reasoning is highly unsatisfactory. When have we seen Anakin as a Sith Lord? We see him in a mechanical suit! Do you think it would be a good idea to use Force Lightning when you are on life support? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Anakin will become more powerful than Yoda; it is only a matter of time. Look people, there is a reason why Yoda was in hiding. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif Besides, why does he need Force Lightning anyway? Choking people works just as well. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

[Polunis]

I think George made a big mistake when he came out with that nonsense about Anakin being the most powerful Jedi. It's simply not true. As we've seen Anakin never learns to shoot those blue lightening bolts and that alone puts him way down the league under: the Emperor, Yoda, Dooka and probably many others.

Anakin couldn't even defeat his own untrained son for heavens sake. (And I'm thinking of Empire here where Luke puts up a darn good fight and then gets away.)

I think they played his powers up way too much in TPM in an obvious attempt to make the stupid little kid more interesting than he really was.

Do you honestly think Vader was trying to kill his son? I don't think so! Luke is no slouch himself, and he does pretty well with the modicum of training he has already received. GL has a reason for everything, and he has promised that we will see why he is so powerful; Yoda even acknowledged that. "Powerful Jedi was he...hmm, powerful Jedi." We haven't seen anything yet! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

[mace]

Anakin will become more powerful than Yoda; it is only a matter of time. Look people, there is a reason why Yoda was in hiding.If Yoda was in hiding, I don't think it was because of Anakin/Vader--it was because of the Emperor, along with Vader and the hundreds of bounty hunters out to kill him. And I don't think he was really afraid of them; he just knew that he had to stay around long enough to train Luke and didn't want to take any chances. I still disagree that Anakin becomes more powerful than Yoda. We also never see him flying around at the tornado-like speeds like Yoda does in AOTC.

[Polunis]

I still disagree that Anakin becomes more powerful than Yoda. We also never see him flying around at the tornado-like speeds like Yoda does in AOTC.

Has it ever occured to you that Anakin is on life support? He is practically a droid! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif How is he supposed to be able to do that? Do enlighten me.

Hundreds of bounty hunters? Where did you get this information? I think he is afraid of Vader; Yoda is no god. I'm sorry to disappoint all the Yodaheads out there, but he is going to get thrashed and I am going to enjoy every minute of it! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif

he just knew that he had to stay around long enough to train Luke and didn't want to take any chances.

How did Yoda know Obi-Wan was going to perish? Wouldn't Obi-Wan be perfectly capable of training Luke? There was about 20 years between the birth of the twins and ANH; if he really wasn't afraid of him, he wouldn't be hiding like a wimp. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Yoda was never good at seeing the future.

[Isomorph]

quote]I think George made a big mistake when he came out with that nonsense about Anakin being the most powerful Jedi. *It's simply not true. *As we've seen Anakin never learns to shoot those blue lightening bolts and that alone puts him way down the league under: the Emperor, Yoda, Dooka and probably many others. *

Anakin couldn't even defeat his own untrained son for heavens sake. *(And I'm thinking of Empire here where Luke puts up a darn good fight and then gets away.)

I think they played his powers up way too much in TPM in an obvious attempt to make the stupid little kid more interesting than he really was.

Do you honestly think Vader was trying to kill his son? *I don't think so! *Luke is no slouch himself, and he does pretty well with the modicum of training he has already received. *GL has a reason for everything, and he has promised that we will see why he is so powerful; Yoda even acknowledged that. *"Powerful Jedi was he...hmm, powerful Jedi." *We haven't seen anything yet! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif[/quote]
very good point I would have to agree with you on that one after all Yoda did say he was very powerful,so that means we will see anakin do some bad ass jedi stuff in EP3,no doubt about it.

[Count Dooku]

<span style='color:red'>Yoda is what 800 years old? He's been trained well in the Jedi Arts, and he's strong with the force. It didn't have to do anything with his species because if it did you would of seen Yaddle jumping around like Yoda style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Basically it comes down to experience, and Yoda definitely has that.</span>

[mace]

Has it ever occured to you that Anakin is on life support? He is practically a droid! How is he supposed to be able to do that? Do enlighten me.
Polunis: you say that the reason we never see Darth Vader shoot force lightning or fly around like Yoda is simply because he's in his mechanical suit. Yet you still say that Yoda is hiding from him. Do you think Yoda doesn't know that he's in the mechanical suit and that he's no longer as powerful as he once was? If you compare Yoda from AOTC with Vader from anywhere in the OT, it's not even close--Yoda could easily destroy Vader. You may be correct that Anakin at some point gets to be as powerful as Yoda, but he certainly is not nearly as powerful as Yoda once he's in the mechanical suit. Therefore it doesn't make sense that Yoda would be hiding from him.

[Polunis]

It makes better sense than you realize; just because Anakin in the OT cannot bounce off the walls like a pinball and shoot off lightning does not make him inferior. He can simply challenge his considerable abilities into other areas such as Force Grip and Throw. He can even block blaster bolts with his hands. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Everyone seems to be in awe over Yoda's ability to absorb Tyranus' Force Lightning, but they seem to forget that Anakin can do pretty much the same thing. I guess he isn't such a weakling in the Force.

I think by the time of the OT either they are of equal power or Vader surpasses him. Yoda is hiding, and there has to be a good reason why. I think the Emperor is far beyond Yoda as well; the Emperor can see into the future very clearly, but Yoda does not seem to have a clue. The specious reasoning of seeing into the future as being a Dark Side power is totally baseless. It has to take considerable power with the Force to be able to do what the Emperor does.

Vader is not as far along in the Force as the Emperor in that area, but he could easily catch up; remember, Yoda and the Emperor have a lot of years on Anakin. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Rebel Astromech Droid]

Yoda is more wise, more mentally powerful, and more experienced so I believe yodas skills come from the force. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/alien.gif

[Spear]

Yoda is strong in the force and in the time period whare the movies take place he himself is THE[U] Jedi master
he is the oldest of all the jedi and has the most experience out of everyone
anakin was spawned from the force which probably makes him the most powerful
but power is nothing without experience to use it

[Polunis]

He will gain his experience at the appointed time; that much is clear to me. Yoda could not be greater than I, the Sith Master. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devil.gif Experience is valuable, but ability can compensate for experience. Anakin as well as Luke had to "grow up" very quickly, but they did turn out to be powerful users of the Force. The Emperor certainly has a wealth of experience and a considerable supply of natural ability; I would say the advantage goes to the Dark Side on this one.

In these movies, the Force is one; there is a distinction between the two sides, but there are not two Forces. I appeal to the advanced abilities of Sidious and Vader as the testament to their power with the Force, not because of their use of the Dark Side.

[Master Yoda]

Originally posted by Rebel Astromech Droid@June 30 2002 - 19:12
Yoda is more wise, more mentally powerful, and more experienced so I believe yodas skills come from the force. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/alien.gif
There is your answer, plain and simple.

[blacksaber]

Yoda had to learn the force, how else does he get around on those tiny short legs of his style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif his talent from his speecies (SARCASM) oh yeah! i'm sure his race could all jump around like that. Maybe he's a mutated Ewok