Did Obi 1 Know about Leia?

[Obidobi]

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In TESB Obi 1 says:
"That boy is our only hope"
Yoda says:
"No there is another"

I belive that Leia is hidden for everybody including OB1 when she is born i episode 3. Only Yoda and Padme knows.
Maybe Padme is dying giving birth to the twins and not able to tell anyone about Leia.

Maybe Yoda keeps it a secret to OB1 because he has forseen his face off with Vader and knew that Vader would have discovered her identeti.

Comments?

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[threeP0]

I think that Padme dying while giving birth to Luke and Leia does not make sense at all because in ROTJ, Leia says she has vague memories of her mother, and no one can remember being born so...

My theory is that Obi-Wan delivers Leia to Bail Organa himself, because we know that they were good friends and fought in the Clone Wars together.

But then we have to remember the TESB quote from Yoda, so it's hard telling.

[Khayman]

I don't think he will know, I think Yoda or maybe Mace will give Leia to Bail. And Obi won't know, cause you know you've got to keep your backups safe style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

[Meche]

I thought Obi-Wan knew. In regards to Luke being the "last hope", I thought Obi-Wan was merely skeptical of Leia's ability to become a Jedi.

[dexterlennon]

i don't think that obi-wan knows about leia. i think that we will see luke be the first born, handed to obi-wan, and taken to tatooine.
while obi-wan is on the way out of wherever the twins are born (i say degobah), leia is born and yoda takes leia and padme to bail on alderaan.


an alternative as to why luke remembers degobah is that he was raised by yoda there for a short time, until obi-wan comes and picks baby luke up from degobah and takes him to tatooine to be raised by owen and beru.
if luke were raised by yoda on degobah for a while, leia could have already been hidden. thus, obi-wan wouldn't know about leia's existence that way either...

[Master Goeweins]

I don't know. If Obi Wan is anywhere near Padme during the pregnancy would he be able to sense two life forms inside of her? He dosn't say anything about her to Yoda, leaving us to believe that he doesn't know about her. So, maybe Padme brings Luke to Tatooine and convinces Owen and Beru to take him, since she did develop a relationship with them in ATOC.
Then Obi Wan is assigned by the remaining Council to go to Tatooine and watch over Luke.
If Obi Wan had brought Luke to Owen, then why would he have such a dislike for Obi Wan?

[Jedi_Zachaa]

<span style="color:cc00ff">I don't know, but I think Owen pretty much has a bias against all Jedi. First, his half brother comes and tries to save his stepmother- and that's a fiasco. I couldn't help feeling that Anakin totally blamed Owen for not going out to save her, that and a bit of jealousy for living with Shmi the last couple years when she wasn't even Owen's true mother. If Anakin was the only Jedi Owen came into contact with, man he must have gotten quite an impression. Then, supposedly in III, when all the Jedi start killing each other off with their awesome powers and his step brother going totally wacko, and with some "irresponsible" Jedi just dropping some baby off on his doorstep, he's gonna feel a lot of negative emotions against the Jedi. He raises Luke as a farmer because from his vision, the Jedi were dangerous and reckless and he doesn't want Luke to follow that same path. After all that, who could really blame him?

Note that I've been describing the events from what I think Owen would see, not what actually happened.

I could be totally off-base here, but that's my impression.</span>

[Shoma Barad]

Obi-Wan gives Luke the story about Leia in ROTJ... so i think he knows... but as for the last hope, maybe Obi-Wan is referring to Yoda's age... Yoda may not survive long enough to train Leia to take on the Emperor and Vader...

~~Shoma

[Count Dooku]

<span style="color:red">Hmm interesting, but did Ben know about Leia in ANH? I am thinking Ben new all along but never really decided to tell Luke.</span>

[Darth Vicious]

I think he knows, just didn't open his mouth bout it. My theory:

Luke was born, and so was Leia. Upon decision making, Obi went to Tatooine to give Luke to Owen, and Padme went to Bail Organa and stayed with them a while until she died. They separate each other so if one was found and killed, the other could have a chance to live and grow up to become a Jedi.

Also, check this out. If Owen and Anakin are stepbrothers, and Owen and Obi-Wan are brothers(if you'd like to see my sources, ask), that makes Anakin and Obi-Wan brothers. Interesting huh?

[Obi-Wan]

<span style="color:blue">I think Obi-Wan did know about Leia. Just because Obi-Wan said "That boy is our only hope" does not mean anything, he might have said that because he does not know that Leia will one day become a Jedi.</span>

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Darth Vicious@June 28 2002 - 13:34
if you'd like to see my sources, ask.
Sources, please! :D

[dexterlennon]

his sources are from quotes GL has said about "the journal of the whills". george has since changed his mind and made it so that obi-wan and anakin's only relation is the jedi-padawan relationship..

alas, people still hang on a line that has never actually appeared anywhere in any movie or book that has to do with the star wars Cannon.

[Nathan Butler]

Actually, it did appear in a book considered SW Canon (the ROTJ novelization, 3rd Level Canon, just below the originals and the allmighty SEs, but just above the Radio Dramas, all as Canon above the Official materials, blah blah).

It's just never appeared in 1st or 2nd level Canon, and probably never will, not that ol' GL's changed his mind.

[mace]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Obi-Wan gives Luke the story about Leia in ROTJ... so i think he knows[/b][/quote]This could easily be explained by Yoda telling Obi-Wan about Leia right after the original two quotes in ESB that are listed at the top of this discussion. This conversation between Yoda and the ghost of Obi-Wan happens as Luke is leaving Dagobah to help out his Han & Leia, so it is quite plausible that the conversation goes on, with Yoda explaining to Obi-Wan how they hid Leia from even him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>an alternative as to why luke remembers degobah is that he was raised by yoda there for a short time[/b][/quote]If Luke was raised by Yoda on Dagobah long enough for him to remember the planet, why wouldn't he remember Yoda himself? I think a little green alien who lives in the swamp and makes things fly with his mind would be something you would be more likely to remember than the swamp planet itself.

[Polunis]

Enough of this silliness; I suggest everyone should watch ANH once more. Did you notice Obi-Wan's smirk after he saw Leia's transmission? He knows quite a bit. Vader said, "Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me; now, his failure is complete." Vader put it all together in his mind; what evidence have we that Obi didn't know at that point? That worn-out quote is often cited, "That boy is our last hope; no, there is another." Does that really mean Leia? It could mean Anakin, if you sit down and think about it. Who is the Chosen One? Anakin. Who brings balance to the Force? Anakin. Yoda should know by this point that Anakin is the Chosen One. He has faith in the Force, so he has a quiet confidence Anakin will be turned back.

There is a possibility he refers to Leia, but there is no conclusive proof I am aware of. It is certainly not an open-and-shut case here.

[mace]

You're right, Polunis; it's not an open-and-shut case--for either side. I guess we really don't know whether Obi-Wan knew about Leia. It's actually kind of cool how GL left it so we don't know whether Obi-Wan knew.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Vader said, "Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me; now, his failure is complete." Vader put it all together in his mind[/b][/quote]I don't think Vader put it all together--for one thing, he probably didn't even know that Yoda was still alive. He's always saying things like "Obi-Wan has taught you well," when we all know that it was Yoda who taught Luke more than Obi-Wan. So Vader doesn't really have everything figured out.

[Polunis]

In the novelization of ROTJ, the Emperor finds out that Yoda completed Luke's training.

It will be interesting to find out what GL's official word will be on the identity of the "other." I seem to think it is Anakin, but it is very much open to debate; perhaps the next episode might furnish us additional clues to solving this mystery.

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Polunis@June 29 2002 - 16:00
That worn-out quote is often cited, "That boy is our last hope; no, there is another." *Does that really mean Leia? *It could mean Anakin, if you sit down and think about it. *Who is the Chosen One? *Anakin. *Who brings balance to the Force? *Anakin. *Yoda should know by this point that Anakin is the Chosen One. *He has faith in the Force, so he has a quiet confidence Anakin will be turned back.
Why would Yoda send Anakin's son off to kill his own father, unless he knew that Luke would turn him? That much confidence in Yoda, have you? Beaten by Sidious he was; or at least, my hope, that is. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Winston_Sith]

Originally posted by Polunis@July 01 2002 - 02:39
In the novelization of ROTJ, the Emperor finds out that Yoda completed Luke's training.
Also, there was a passage in the RotJ novel that had the Emperor meditating on the darkness of space, and having the rather egomaniacal epiphany that (paraphrased) 'He was the darkness... he was the Dark Side'.

How do you think this relates to the whole issue of how 'the Dark Side clouds everyting'?

I think it makes a whole lot of sense, actually...

[Polunis]

Who knows if Yoda really wanted to have Luke kill Anakin? He only exhorted him to "confront" Vader, if my memory serves me well.

[Polunis]

The Dark Side can cloud even the minds of its own adherents; of course, I wouldn't know anything about it. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Kafer]

I thought it was Obi-Wan that actually said that Luke must destroy Vader. Yoda did only say, "confront" but Obi said "destroy" didn't he? Or have I been dreaming again.

As to the orignal question of Did Obi know about Leia? Well, interesting enough, I was puzzling over this question a year or so again. When Obi is watching Leia's recorded message, I always thought there was a flicker of recognition in his eyes. However, I was wondering if it was only, "My god, she looks exactly like Padme." Not so much "Wow, little Leia certainly has grown up."

I always assumed that Obi didn't know because of the "that boy is our last hope" line. I have it envisioned that it was arranged, that the male offspring of Skywalker should be hidden from anakin's knowledge. So, we'll hide him in plain sight on his home planet with his relatives. (Yah, he'll never think to look there.) So, Padme is giving birth and a handmaiden rushes out with the newly born Luke.

Handmaiden: She wishes him to be called Luke.
Obi-Wan: Luke Skywalker. A fine name. He will be safe with me.
Handmaiden: Now leave, before she changes her mind.
Obi-Wan: Nodds and takes off in his ship.

The handmaiden rushes back in to assist in the delivery of Leia. Several hours later, Padme is recovering.

Padme: We're on our way to Alderan. (she's speaking to the holo image of Yoda.)
Yoda: Good. Yes, good.
Padme: I still feel this wrong. I should have kept Luke with me. Or Obi-Wan should have taken them both.
Yoda: No. Better this way, it is. Luke is safe with Obi-Wan. A different path Leia has before her.

[Obidobi]

Case closed then!
He did´nt know as I said! :p ;)

[Obidobi]

No one is posting here anymore -Snufs- style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

Closed!
Now I tried that also!!!!

[dominik_hasik]

have you ever read the rots book


bail is given leia to seprate luke and leia


obi-wan and yoda were the olny othere people there

obi-wan knows

[Obidobi]

^Look at the dates of that posts.... That was posted 3 years ago....

I was wrong!

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by dominik_hasik@Jun 9 2005, 09:25 PM
have you ever read the rots book


bail is given leia to seprate luke and leia


obi-wan and yoda were the olny othere people there

obi-wan knows
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Obi-Wan was there and so he knows! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[Obidobi]

I guess I was proven wrong... Thread closed!