The 30th Anniversary DVD Set

[T-bone]

You don't really think that the Lucasfilm marketing machine would let such a momentous occasion go without trying to sell you anything and everything possible with a Star Wars logo on it, do you?

More... (http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index.php?categoryid=16&p2_articleid=846)

[RedMirax]

Hmmmm. Interesting. The only thing I wish they would do with the soundtrack is bring back the original ending song from RotJ. :)

[James]

Yeah bring back the original song from ROTJ and replace the puppet Yoda with a digital and clean up the yucky lightsaber colours.

[Jjm3233]

Maybe we will get a cleaned up anamorphic print of the originals? Imagine the hype that would create, especially if this years set does well. A double dip like that would be right up Lucas' alley.

And I wonder what they could give us in an Indy set we didn't get the first go around? Maybe Young Indy on DVD?

[Vesper]

Hmmmm. Interesting. The only thing I wish they would do with the soundtrack is bring back the original ending song from RotJ. :)

God no, I can't imagine watching the (better) ending with the various planets with that god awful primitive music in the background.

[Rabid Whiphid]

God no, I can't imagine watching the (better) ending with the various planets with that god awful primitive music in the background.


I agree one thousand percent. Gripes about the "New Ending Music" for ROTJ mark the specific point where the complaints of the "Star Wars Post-1997"- Bashers tend to fold in on themselves and become blatantly self-contradictory.

The Ewoks have always been the one thing that all (well, okay, most) SW fans loves to hate. So when I hear people say they want the old "Yub- Yub" song put back into ROTJ, because the new ending music is "so bad"... that's when I know they are just complaining to complain, and bashing a Special Edition change not based on its own merit but simply because it IS a change.

Personally, I love the new music that has been added to the ending of ROTJ, and feel it was a change worth making because it genuinely improves the film. This new ending music has a nice, bittersweet feel to it - uplifting because it accompanies a happy ending to the story - the good guys won the war! But also a little meloncholy because it signifies that, for the audience, it IS The End, the very, very end, and the time has come to say goodbye to our SW friends and go away for a while. So it fits the emotional tone of the scene perfectly.

The other reason I love - and have loved from the first listen - the new ending music, is because, as much as I enjoy ROTJ, I have always hated that stupid "Yub- Yub" song. I have hated that Ewok vocal song ever since 1983, when I was in the 5th freakin' grade, when ROTJ first came out.

Just like every other kid I knew in 1983 hated that song, not only because it sounded stupid but because it was being sung by the freakin' Ewoks... who we ALL hated, right from the beginning.

Now here we are in 2006 and those same kids are in their 30's like me. And whenever the subject comes up, they love to grouse about how ROTJ was ruined... ALL BECAUSE OF THOSE STUPID EWOKS!!!

But then, as soon as the topic of the 1997 Special Edition comes up, suddenly they're crying about how bad they want that "Yub Yub" song to be put back into the film... a revision that would accentuate the Ewoks' screen presence... the very element that they claim "ruins" the movie.

When you point out this snag in their logic, it tends to give them pause. They never seem to have a snappy comeback for that one, and it becomes abundantly clear that they are just complaining for the fun of it, and ripping on Star Wars because it always feels cool to despise and ridicule anything that is popular. It also tends to reveal that their gripes are mostly hollow, motivated by their social agenda as opposed to any genuine, serious thought about the work of art they are bashing.




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[James]

i'm neither here nor there.

i don't mind the yubyub song but i don't mind the new stuff either -i like the celebration montage especially with the added naboo bit which really ties in with the pt.but on the other hand yubyub sounded nice and was a complement to both the soaring, joyful music of the TPM parade and the somber dignity of the ANH parade.

[Vesper]

As for some speculation of what we'll see changed, I wouldn't be shocked to see Yoda digitalised in all three films that he is not (TPM is probably agiven, seeing as they made him CG for test animation for ROTS), I could see the political scenes possibly being reinserted into ROTS, at least I'd like them to. It would be nice to have a constant colour pallete for the lightsaber blades though, seeing as they're hardly identical in any of the prequels yet alone the OT.

[Miasmo]

If they were going to digitize OT Yoda, and I think I'm finally under the persuasion they should, they should do their best to copy the puppet's movements and expressions as closely as they can. Yes, I said expressions. You see, even though it's just a puppet with limited facial articulation, it has still taken on a life of its own. They need to maintain that when they add CG expressions. They also have the task of blending the PT design with the classic OT design. If it didn't stand out before, you can bet your biscuits it will stand out when you plop him into the classics.

This is obviously a delicate subject. So delicate, that if confirmation comes on the decision to digitize Yoda, I'm pretty sure we'll have an entire thread here dedicated to the heated debate. ;)

[Darth Darthy]

I'm fine with the OT Yoda. TPM on the other hand... Of course we know they've changed that anyway.

[Master Magnus]

Interesting article, but I don't think it'll happen.

[Vesper]

I'm fine with the OT Yoda. TPM on the other hand... Of course we know they've changed that anyway.

I'm pretty much the same, the puppet works fine and well in the OT, TPM it was quite horrid though, and would be much better as CG (if they make Yoda CG in TPM, does that mean they'd make the brief glimpses of Yaddle CG as well?)

I'm somewhat impartial if they were to replace the OT puppet with CG, my opinion would depend souly on how well it works into the scenes.

[T-bone]

I HIGHLY doubt they are going to do anything to the OT Yoda. The TPM Yoda, I'd say is a sure thing or a safe bet. In fact, I think it was already done for some testing purposes.

[Master Magnus]

I HIGHLY doubt they are going to do anything to the OT Yoda. The TPM Yoda, I'd say is a sure thing or a safe bet. In fact, I think it was already done for some testing purposes.
Correct. In the documentary The Chosen One on the ROTS bonus DVD, there's a segment from TPM (the scene with Anakin in the Jedi Council with Yoda's speech "Fear leads to anger...") where the terrible TPM puppet has been replaced with CG (and it looks great).

[Rabid Whiphid]

I HIGHLY doubt they are going to do anything to the OT Yoda.

Me too. That would be totally out-of-character of GL to do that. He has always spoken with the utmost repect, appreciation, and admiration for the performance that his friend Frank Oz created with that puppet. Not to mention the design work that Stuart Freeborn put into it, or the manner in which that character was directed by Kirshner. He has never critisized it, or made comments to imply that he felt it wasn't good enough.

[Miasmo]

Frankly(sorry for the pun), I don't give GL's past opinions much weight these days in certain situations. People change, GL obviously has.

And as much as people may scoff at me for suggesting a CGI makeover for OT Yoda, I feel more strongly about it than I used to because I really think they can make it better while retaining much of the acting performance and direction that is already in place.

But my fear is that they won't give it as much attention as they need to. If they slack off, even just a little, the whole attempt will have been a mistake.

I guess I won't clutter up this thread with more talk about this. There's really not much more I need to say, and there are plenty of other issues to discuss. :)

[Mothman]

I HIGHLY doubt they are going to do anything to the OT Yoda. The TPM Yoda, I'd say is a sure thing or a safe bet. In fact, I think it was already done for some testing purposes.

I partially disagree. That is, I think that they will leave some shots of OT Yoda as is, but will re-do some in CG. That's what Mr. Spielberg did with an anniversary release of E.T. a few years ago. Most of the original shots of E.T. remained intact, but for some of the close-ups and reaction shots, they re-worked them with CG. I think that that is what they'll do with OT Yoda as well. Some of the close-ups will be tweaked in CG to make him sorta match PT Yoda.

[T-bone]

I partially disagree. That is, I think that they will leave some shots of OT Yoda as is, but will re-do some in CG. That's what Mr. Spielberg did with an anniversary release of E.T. a few years ago. Most of the original shots of E.T. remained intact, but for some of the close-ups and reaction shots, they re-worked them with CG. I think that that is what they'll do with OT Yoda as well. Some of the close-ups will be tweaked in CG to make him sorta match PT Yoda.

We shall see next year, eh?

[Rabid Whiphid]

Frankly(sorry for the pun), I don't give GL's past opinions much weight these days in certain situations.


I get what you are saying but his opinions about Frank Oz's work, and all the work on the original OT Yoda, have remained consistant over the years. And when it comes to that topic we aren't really talking about past opinions, anyway - because GL is still praising the performance of the OT Yoda puppet as recently as the ESB dvd commentary track, recorded in 2004.

Also, another reson I find that difficult to believe - and this is just speculation on my part - but if they were completely re-working OT Yoda they would have to already be heavily immersed in the work... if they wanted it unleashed in time for the 30th Anniversary in 2007. And I think it would be tough for them to keep a secret like that under wraps.

[Justin]

I partially disagree. That is, I think that they will leave some shots of OT Yoda as is, but will re-do some in CG. That's what Mr. Spielberg did with an anniversary release of E.T. a few years ago. Most of the original shots of E.T. remained intact, but for some of the close-ups and reaction shots, they re-worked them with CG. I think that that is what they'll do with OT Yoda as well. Some of the close-ups will be tweaked in CG to make him sorta match PT Yoda.
Argh, I HATED that they replaced E.T. with CGI!! It looked terrible and completely took me out of the movie. What a bad, unnecessary thing to do.

While they're at it, why don't they replace the mechanical shark in Jaws with a huge, monster CGI shark and add some footage of it chowing down??

There are some things that just should not be messed with. The original Yoda is one of them, in my opinion.

[Mothman]

We shall see next year, eh?

That we will.

[Mothman]

Argh, I HATED that they replaced E.T. with CGI!! It looked terrible and completely took me out of the movie. What a bad, unnecessary thing to do.

While they're at it, why don't they replace the mechanical shark in Jaws with a huge, monster CGI shark and add some footage of it chowing down??

There are some things that just should not be messed with. The original Yoda is one of them, in my opinion.

Like it or not, that is my guess about what will happen to OT Yoda. We have the E.T. precedent.

[Justin]

Like it or not, that is my guess about what will happen to OT Yoda. We have the E.T. precedent.
If they do then I will not be buying it.

[Mark Skywalker]

The 30th Anniversary DVD Set
It's possible, we'll just have to wait and see .

[jayce76]

George has already stated in many ah' interview , that he will Never repalce O.T. Yoda . . . .


He's just replacing Yoda in Phantom Menace for the reissue set . . .


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[Mothman]

George has already stated in many ah' interview , that he will Never repalce O.T. Yoda . . . .


He's just replacing Yoda in Phantom Menace for the reissue set . . .


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Which interview was that?

[Master Magnus]

If they do then I will not be buying it.
I agree on that. The E.T. CG make-over was terrible and I think that a similar make-over for Yoda would be disrespectful. A lot of work went into creating the character.

[jayce76]

Where is all this worry about O.T. Yoda being replaced? I find this speculation silly . . .

[Master Magnus]

^Well, that's your opinion but not everyone agrees. I haven't seen anything concrete which indicates that OT Yoda would be replaced or CG "enhanced" though.

[jayce76]

As far as I've heard it just 'Phantom' Yoda being replaced? Is'nt that right Magnus? . . . .

[jayce76]

Like it or not, that is my guess about what will happen to OT Yoda. We have the E.T. precedent.


Why? Do you think that?

[Rabid Whiphid]

Argh, I HATED that they replaced E.T. with CGI!! It looked terrible and completely took me out of the movie. What a bad, unnecessary thing to do.

While they're at it, why don't they replace the mechanical shark in Jaws with a huge, monster CGI shark and add some footage of it chowing down??



SHHHH!!! Don't give them any ideas.

[Master Magnus]

As far as I've heard it just 'Phantom' Yoda being replaced? Is'nt that right Magnus? . . . .
Absolutely true (that's why I pointed out that I haven't seen anything about OT Yoda being replaced).

[RedMirax]

God no, I can't imagine watching the (better) ending with the various planets with that god awful primitive music in the background.


I wasn't thinking about replacing the new song in the movie, but just putting the old one back on the CD soundtrack. I like the new music just fine, I have the CDs, but I DO like the old ending song. It was cool and it was the original. I would like a copy of it and I can't find it anywhere except on my original VHS tapes, which I don't like to play a lot. :)

[jayce76]

Isn't it on the soundtrack? Me'said Yub'Yub . . .

[Master Magnus]

As I said earlier, I don't believe that there will be a box set (at least not next year). I think that LFL is going to market several video games (among those the new game incorporating new technology which there has been so much talk about) and focus on the future of Star Wars with the upcoming CG Clone Wars series and the live-action series. However, there are a few changes I'd like to see in the future:
TPM:
A completely new version of the movie...:p Seriously, I'd like to see the puppet replaced with CG (and as we know, that might happen some day).

AOTC:
Nothing really comes to mind at this time...

ROTS:
* Include one of the deleted "Rebellion" scenes
* Extended Order 66 scene
* Extended declaration of the Empire scene
* Include the dialogue between Qui-Gon and Yoda (it really doesn't make much sense as it is now. All of the sudden we learn that Yoda can talk with Qui-Gon)
* Oh, one more thing comes to mind: The entire Veranda scene with Obi-Wan and Padmé must be used. As it is now, Padmé's line "From the Sith" makes no sense at all. I love ROTS, but that's sloppy editing IMO.

ANH:
* Make Han shoot first again

TESB:
* An extended Hoth battle would be nice (yeah, keep dreamin')

ROTJ:
* Reinstate Lapti Nek
* The space battle needs a CG makeover

[jayce76]

That sounds great Magnus . . . .

http://www.galacticsenate.com/showthread.php?t=11784

[Vesper]

I wasn't thinking about replacing the new song in the movie, but just putting the old one back on the CD soundtrack. I like the new music just fine, I have the CDs, but I DO like the old ending song. It was cool and it was the original. I would like a copy of it and I can't find it anywhere except on my original VHS tapes, which I don't like to play a lot. :)

Ah, makes sense.


Anyway, on Lapti Nek, my main complaint about it is it is so terribly 80s.

[Tyranus22]

I have been waiting for some info/news about a 30th anniversary DVD set for AAAAGES now and this T-Bone info is great to hear. My main hopes for the set are that they replace the horrible TPM puppet Yoda with the new CG model(as many have said that's pretty much a given!) Then my prequel collection can finally be complete! I'd also like to see TPM get a cleaned up transfer.

After that I'm not too picky. I suppose my main gripe with the last edition of the OT DVD's was the lightsaber FX. Vader's saber is too pink in too many shots and there are many shots where the sabers have no core. In ROTJ we get that AWFUL close up of Luke and Vader's lightsabers clashing infront of the Emperor's face where you can clearly see the sabers have no whitish core and the sabers actually intersect too. That's my main hope for the 30th anniversary OT - fix the lightsaber FX!

Question T-Bone: I presume when your source was mentioning a 30th anniversary boxset of the films he/she meant all 6 films? I really hope we get a 6 film Saga Boxset next year, instead of another OT set, and they finally give us TPM CG Yoda. Surely that's what they're doing seen as they haven't yet released a PT Boxset.

Also where's this picture of Yoda from??
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[T-bone]

Question T-Bone: I presume when your source was mentioning a 30th anniversary boxset of the films he/she meant all 6 films? I really hope we get a 6 film Saga Boxset next year, instead of another OT set, and they finally give us TPM CG Yoda. Surely that's what they're doing seen as they haven't yet released a PT Boxset.


Hi - Yes I think it's a big box set with all the films and bonus stuff, plus a big soundtrack box set too. None of this is confirmed yet, however so keep that in mind. I also would like to see the Yoda from TPM fixed up.

[jayce76]

I would like to see him add things back into the films / like the Nabberrie family scenes and some the Lost '20' & the rebellion subplot as well . . . .

T-bone ,

Does your source have any info on when this reissue set might come our way . .

[T-bone]

everything i have goes on the site.

[jayce76]

Understood . . .

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[Tyranus22]

I can't wait!!:D

[GeneralDirection]

It's sounding really interesting, thanks for the info! I suppose I'm most excited about the possibility of a new transfer for TPM and a digital Yoda for it, and hopefull some of the lightsaber effects from the OT DVD being fixed up a bit.

Just a question - is the two-discs-per-movie thing from the source, is speculation?

I'd hope that they wouldn't put in the same bonus discs we had with the initial releases, so we'd have something new besides the changes to the movies, and the OT didn't have a bonus disc each anyway. 12-14 discs = a lot of money. The six movies plus two bonus discs would do me fine (as long as the OT deleted scenes are on one - I'm sure we were promised them for a future DVD release, once they've been cleaned up).

As for the soundtracks, if the full scores for AotC and RotS are released, it's going to be very tempting - but I don't know if it's tempting enough to buy I and IV-VI all over again.

[Vesper]

12-14 disks? That's nothing on my new Bond dvds that arrived yesterday. 40 disks and each film looks like it was made yesterday, the picture quality is so crisp and clear, far superior transfers compared to the OT DVDs (I think these ones were restored to over 4000 lines per frame)

Anyway one thing I'd be for them putting the effort into doing is creating a constant colour pallete for the lightsaber blades. They're bad enough in the OT but the colours differ in tones all through the PT as well.

[jayce76]

GeneralDirection - I'd hope that they wouldn't put in the same bonus discs we had with the initial releases . . .


I'm sure they will , George usally does . . .

[Tyranus22]

I agree although maybe they'll include one extra disc with extra features spanning the entire saga.

I'm mainly concerned with the movies themselves though - if TPM got CG Yoda and a new transfer and the lightsaber FX were fixed in the OT then I'd be very happy!

[Fish1941]

Hmmmm. Interesting. The only thing I wish they would do with the soundtrack is bring back the original ending song from RotJ. :)

I hope that you're joking.:eek:

[GeneralDirection]

GeneralDirection - I'd hope that they wouldn't put in the same bonus discs we had with the initial releases . . .


I'm sure they will , George usally does . . .

It's hard to tell, as (as far as I know) there hasn't been a precedent for this with Lucasfilm DVD releases. The first DVD "re-issue" we're getting from them is the release later this year - seperate releases without the bonus disc that came with the initial set, but with all new "bonus features" - namely, the OOT. Most people who want the SW movies on DVD will have them by now, including the (so far) four bonus features discs - to ask people to buy those four discs again in order to get new versions of the films is asking a bit much, price-wise.

[DonSwoosh]

Personally, I would think that the Boxset would have all new features. And the funny thing is, if you're a completist, you really can't get rid of the releases we have now. There's a good chance that that material won't show up in the Boxset....which I'm cool with.

Speaking of which, digitalbits.com has a story about this very subject in their rumor mill section this afternoon.

I honestly can't wait for this. That's why I'm skipping the September 12th release. There's really no need to get it unless you just absolutely have to have the unaltered versions....which I don't. I'm a Special Edition kind of guy.

Here's hoping it comes out in the Summer of '07 instead of Holiday Season '07.

[GeneralDirection]

I honestly can't wait for this. That's why I'm skipping the September 12th release. There's really no need to get it unless you just absolutely have to have the unaltered versions....which I don't. I'm a Special Edition kind of guy.


Yeah, me too - between what T has reported and the report on thedigitalbits, the 2007 set could be amazing, so it's time so save some money. :D

[DonSwoosh]

GD,

Yep. It's definitely time to penny-pinch. And you know what's worse? Two to five years after that Saga Boxset is released, we'll get the same release in HD probably.

Interesting times, we live in if you're into home theater.

[Tyranus22]

OMG I've just read the digitalbits post and I'm SO EXCITED!!!! Roll on May 2007!:D

[GeneralDirection]

Yep. It's definitely time to penny-pinch. And you know what's worse? Two to five years after that Saga Boxset is released, we'll get the same release in HD probably.


Probably, but as I don't intend buying a TV the size of my living-room any time soon, I expect HD to pass me by for a few years. ;) I wouldn't be surprised if LFL give it a few years, anyway - it took them ages to get even TPM released on DVD, and the same with Indy. DVD was around for a few years before it really started to take off, and laserdisc wasn't particularly successful among the general population before that. Now most people have made the switch from VHS to DVD and are comfortable with it, I think it'll take more than a higher resolution to get the majority of casual buyers to buy HD-DVD (the average punter probably won't be able to tell the difference), so it too might take off slowly at first.

Still, what with new versions of the films and brand new extras like deleted scenes (and hopefully a better TPM transfer), this set looks like it'll have much more going for it than those new LotR sets New Line are releasing - now they're cynical.

[DonSwoosh]

GD,

Pretty much on the nose. I'm looking to upgrade from a standard TV to at least a 42 inch HDTV. But, given all of that, I'm still sitting out this HD war, eventhough it gets harder and harder every day to resist what I've seen in the HD market.

But still, DVD is still great. It's not going anywhere anytime soon....especially if you have the right equipment.

I'm sure this Saga Boxset will be loaded with great special features. But, for me, it's the films that are the best part and I'm just very curious to see what's been done?

Did he go back and re-edit Attack of the Clones along with the score?
Which Trilogy gets most of the "special" treatment?

It's just going to be great to finally have the Saga released together as one. That's really the ultimate part.

[Tyranus22]

Finger's firmly crossed for CG TPM Yoda, cleaned up TPM transfer and it'd also be great if they fixed the OT lightsaber FX once and for all! I'm curious too though as to what else they're doing to the films.

[jayce76]

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Today... a follow-up on something we've been telling you to expect for quite while now. 2007, as you may well be aware, is the 30th anniversary of the original Star Wars' debut in theaters.

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You'd have to be stupid not to know that Lucasfilm is going to have big DVD release plans with which to celebrate the anniversary, and we've been telling you that was the case for many months now. Indeed, during our last visit to the Ranch (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/skywalker/page2.html) for the DVD release of Episode III, producer Rick McCallum confirmed that a box set of all six films was going to happen eventually, and animation director Rob Coleman even let it slip that the puppet Yoda from Episode I had already been replaced with a new CG Yoda to match Episodes II & III for the "future" release. T-Bone over at Star Wars Universe recently speculated about this box set (http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index.php?categoryid=16&p2_articleid=846), and we've been quietly checking in with our industry sources on it as well. Well, we've confirmed it:

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There is a big, ultimate, 6-film Star Wars anniversary DVD box set planned for 2007. There will be more changes to the films, and there will be LOTS of new, never-before-seen special features - all thegood stuff that was held back by Lucasfilm from the original Trilogy DVD release a few years ago. Think deleted scenes and more. We don't know if good, genuinely-REMASTERED versions of the original theatrical editions of the films will be included or not (though how you could call the set "ultimate" without them, we don't know). We don't expect high-definition versions yet, as those formats are just too new. We don't have ANY other details for you yet, so please don't ask. But as you consider whether or not to purchase the "limited edition" DVDs due on 9/12... we thought you should know that more IS absolutely on the way next year.

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'Nuff said for now.

As always, please keep in mind that titles discussed here are tentative and are subject to change until officially announced by the studios.

Stay tuned...

[T-bone]

Yes I saw that tonight - thanks Jayce. In the future try not to cut and paste people's work here though. I personally don't like when that's done to me. Just post a paragraph and a link to the story.

In any case, nice to see it backed up. I got a few people sort of laughing at the story. :)

[Razorback]

Finger's firmly crossed for CG TPM Yoda, cleaned up TPM transfer and it'd also be great if they fixed the OT lightsaber FX once and for all!

Done. No worries.

As for the stuff that has been going around the rumor mill, T-Bone and I will disagree here. What I heard during the process of getting the teams together for the DVD set, no changes were being made to the OTSE DVD's other than FX fixes that SHOULD have been done in 2004 (ROTS work got in the way).

Granted, T-Bone may have more up-to-date info than I do. :)

[T-bone]

Done. No worries.

As for the stuff that has been going around the rumor mill, T-Bone and I will disagree here. What I heard during the process of getting the teams together for the DVD set, no changes were being made to the OTSE DVD's other than FX fixes that SHOULD have been done in 2004 (ROTS work got in the way).

Granted, T-Bone may have more up-to-date info than I do. :)

Always good to hear from the Razorman.
Well, while I was told that changes were going to be made to "the films" no one told me which or if that meant all of them so you could be correct there, even though according to what you're saying there still will be changes made to the FX, right? Changes are changes.

I don't think it'll be anything drastic anyhow and we're all pretty much in agreement on the Yoda/TPM thing - a change I am very excited about actually because that muppet yoda in TPM was awful. I almost couldn't believe they used it.

[Razorback]

Always good to post in a friendly place. :)

I had pretty direct statements made to me at the time about what would be "fixed" and it revolved specifically around the 2004 OT cut special effects, specifically the light sabers and the obvious elements that showed up in ANH and ROTJ (ESB seems to have only been bettered by the process) once the prints were cleaned up.

Had they the time, in 2004, to fix that stuff they would have... but they were given very little time (some might say on purpose) and effect fixes were pretty much left off the to-do list, even though it was clear to everyone that they needed fixing.

Now, the prequels, on the other hand... well, I am not sure what I can say so I will chill a bit until more leaks. :)

[Battle Droid]

Dooku should be added to Qui-Gon's funeral.

A new scene added with Grievous in the catacombs killing Jedi on Geonosis to AOTC.

Watto added somewhere in Mos Eisley in A New Hope.

Snowtroopers on foot added into the Hoth ground battle in TESB, and more AT-STs.
Also a scene with snowtroopers existing an AT-AT by repel lines.

Kashyyyk & Utapau should be added to the celebration scene at the end of ROTJ

[Tyranus22]

Always good to post in a friendly place. :)

I had pretty direct statements made to me at the time about what would be "fixed" and it revolved specifically around the 2004 OT cut special effects, specifically the light sabers and the obvious elements that showed up in ANH and ROTJ (ESB seems to have only been bettered by the process) once the prints were cleaned up.

Had they the time, in 2004, to fix that stuff they would have... but they were given very little time (some might say on purpose) and effect fixes were pretty much left off the to-do list, even though it was clear to everyone that they needed fixing.

Now, the prequels, on the other hand... well, I am not sure what I can say so I will chill a bit until more leaks. :)

Cool, so is it pretty safe to assume we'll get CG TPM Yoda and fixed OT lightsaber FX then? I'm in agreement with T-Bone - the very first time I saw TPM in the cinema that Yoda puppet stood out as crap and this was even before anyone had seen what they could do with CG Yoda in AOTC.

I just hope that LFL don't do something stupid like only make Yoda CG in certain parts of TPM, he hasn't got that many scenes so I really hope they made him CG in every scene he's in!

[jayce76]

Yes I saw that tonight - thanks Jayce. In the future try not to cut and paste people's work here though. I personally don't like when that's done to me. Just post a paragraph and a link to the story.

In any case, nice to see it backed up. I got a few people sort of laughing at the story. :)


No problem . .

[Tyranus22]

Ugh, just looking back at the OT 2004 SE, the lightsaber FX in all 3 films, particularly ANH and ROTJ really do need some serious attention. Hopefully that's gonna happen with the Anniversary Boxset and messy shots like this will be a distant memory!....

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7320/sabers2004azg6.jpg

[Master Magnus]

Hello Razorback, it's good to see you!

I've been a skeptic myself, but as TheDigitalBits are certain enough to say that they've confirmed it... I'm one of those who welcomes changes to the films (and I've a wish list...) and it'll be interesting to see how this turns out.

[Razorback]

Hello Razorback, it's good to see you!

I've been a skeptic myself, but as TheDigitalBits are certain enough to say that they've confirmed it... I'm one of those who welcomes changes to the films (and I've a wish list...) and it'll be interesting to see how this turns out.

People should be skeptical about all these things, but I rarely lead my forum friends wrong (I do not have a website where I tell people the good stuff, I just talk about it in a forum or it doesn't leak from me).

We talked about this to some degree about a month ago on StarWars.com's Hyperspace forum here. (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=252965&tstart=25) So, the fact that it is now being talked about more openly just means that more people on the inside feel comfortable spilling. :)

[Master Magnus]

People should be skeptical about all these things, but I rarely lead my forum friends wrong (I do not have a website where I tell people the good stuff, I just talk about it in a forum or it doesn't leak from me).

We talked about this to some degree about a month ago on StarWars.com's Hyperspace forum here. (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=252965&tstart=25) So, the fact that it is now being talked about more openly just means that more people on the inside feel comfortable spilling. :)
I'm no longer a HS member, but without giving away too much, were LFL people involved in the discussion (yes or no will do)?

[RedMirax]

I hope that you're joking.:eek:

No, I wasn't joking. My explanation is here...

I wasn't thinking about replacing the new song in the movie, but just putting the old one back on the CD soundtrack. I like the new music just fine, I have the CDs, but I DO like the old ending song. It was cool and it was the original. I would like a copy of it and I can't find it anywhere except on my original VHS tapes, which I don't like to play a lot. :)

:)

[jayce76]

I know I certainly get the chuckles & the eye rolls from some of the members when it comes to the 30th ann. but that is his real working address / so send in your feedback today . . . .

http://www.galacticsenate.com/showthread.php?t=11784

[Razorback]

I'm no longer a HS member, but without giving away too much, were LFL people involved in the discussion (yes or no will do)?

Well, Pablo did make an appearance in the thread but he didn't say anything to contradict my comments. I even suggested he should... he did not. :)

[Master Magnus]

Well, Pablo did make an appearance in the thread but he didn't say anything to contradict my comments. I even suggested he should... he did not. :)
Interesting... Thanks for the info, Razorback! :)

[Tyranus22]

Razorback could you please tell me this(you can pm me if you like)...

- Do you know if Yoda has been/will be fully CG in TPM, ie not just in the jedi council chamber as we saw in the ROTS doc but also in his other scenes?

Thanks!

[T-bone]

Here's a little something for you guys to compare with:

[Master Magnus]

Here's a little something for you guys to compare with:
Yeah, that's from the bonus DVD (the CG Yoda that is). It's impressive... I had almost forgotten how bad the TPM puppet looks (especially the eyes are off, yuck). The AOTC CG Yoda should also be corrected (he has the wrong number of toes :p).

[RollaFett]

Well, that certainly makes my decision on whether or not to buy the single disc versions of the OT much easier. I'll be waiting until '07 for the boxset, and it damn well better have the unaltered version included.

[T-bone]

Well, that certainly makes my decision on whether or not to buy the single disc versions of the OT much easier. I'll be waiting until '07 for the boxset, and it damn well better have the unaltered version included.

which is probably why they haven't told anyone yet.

[Tyranus22]

I have my doubts about the O-OT being included in the Saga set, what with the fact that the DVDs in September are "limited edition" and only available until December. I know if I really wanted the unaltered OT I probably wouldn't risk waiting to see if they're included in the Saga set. We'll see what happens though.

[GeneralDirection]

I have my doubts about the O-OT being included in the Saga set, what with the fact that the DVD's in September are "limited edition" and only available until December. I know if I really wanted the unaltered OT I probably wouldn't risk waiting to see if they're included in the Saga set. We'll see what happens though.

I'd be surprised, too. Maybe the O-OT is being released now so George can say "they're out there if you want them", giving him free reign to make whatever changes he wants for the box-set next year.

[jayce76]

Good point , . . . .

That could also be very true , it's hard to speculate on a persons or people's motives . . .

[James]

i'm waiting till the boxset comes out in 07 too.

[Razorback]

Razorback could you please tell me this(you can pm me if you like)...

- Do you know if Yoda has been/will be fully CG in TPM, ie not just in the jedi council chamber as we saw in the ROTS doc but also in his other scenes?

Thanks!

The exact words used were that Yoda was changed in TPM. I would be surprised if they changed him just for a single scene since it was stressed that the box set would be the chance for the company to fix all the things that could not be done during the original DVD releases.

I would conjecture that means utilizing the CGI technology developed after AOTC to better some of the effects in the first two prequels; making Yoda CGI in every TPM scene; fix all the effects issues made obvious by the 2004 OT DVD cleanup; and making the lightsabers in the OT all conform to the prequel lightsaber effects.

Is it possible that some of this will not happen? I would be surprised, but things are always possible. I sometimes compare LFL to EA's Madden football game series. They often leave out things just so they can add them the following year so that people keep buying (there will be an HD set eventually).

The other thing I could see happening is the Lucas organization deciding to not release the DVDs in May, but wait until after the summer. Why? It all depends on what game they want to tie into the release.

[Razorback]

I have my doubts about the O-OT being included in the Saga set, what with the fact that the DVD's in September are "limited edition" and only available until December. I know if I really wanted the unaltered OT I probably wouldn't risk waiting to see if they're included in the Saga set. We'll see what happens though.

Oh, I doubt they would add more cost to an already expensive set (will probably sell on Amazon.com for $79.99). I think you might see the OOT included in the HD boxset, whenever that happens. However, the Lucas organizations are fully committed to pushing for Video On-Demand in the future, so it will be out there eventually.

[jayce76]

I don't see something as special as the unaltered versions of Star wars Trilogy on V.O.D. / But I could see an limited time H.D. set in our future. . .

[Tyranus22]

The exact words used were that Yoda was changed in TPM. I would be surprised if they changed him just for a single scene since it was stressed that the box set would be the chance for the company to fix all the things that could not be done during the original DVD releases.

I would conjecture that means utilizing the CGI technology developed after AOTC to better some of the effects in the first two prequels; making Yoda CGI in every TPM scene; fix all the effects issues made obvious by the 2004 OT DVD cleanup; and making the lightsabers in the OT all conform to the prequel lightsaber effects.

Is it possible that some of this will not happen? I would be surprised, but things are always possible. I sometimes compare LFL to EA's Madden football game series. They often leave out things just so they can add them the following year so that people keep buying (there will be an HD set eventually).

The other thing I could see happening is the Lucas organization deciding to not release the DVDs in May, but wait until after the summer. Why? It all depends on what game they want to tie into the release.

Thanks! I guess I can't help but still be a little skeptical - I had high expectations for the 2004 set but was ultimately disappointed so hopefully they'll get it right with this set.

[jayce76]

I still get the sence , even throught I love the '04' Trilogy set , that it's still a work in progress . . . .

[DonSwoosh]

It was, jayce.

[jayce76]

Yes . . .

[jayce76]

Such is life my brothers . . .

[jayce76]

Roll with the punches . . .

[DonSwoosh]

I'm just happy that we'll have the films in one set. I think of Star Wars as one and it would be nice to have them as one in a single box.

Hopefully, the coverart and boxart will be nice and elegant. Maybe give Drew Struzan a call to do something special for this set....

[jayce76]

I believe I remember them talking about that a long time ago . . .

Mabie T-B has something . . .

[Tyranus22]

Here's a little comparison to give a taster of the type of thing we can hope for in the Saga Boxset if LFL do a proper job! (Second image courtesy of insaneMOVIEgoer @ comingsoon.net forums)

From
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4505/sabers2004ayw8.jpg

To
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a22/TJ4life/otsaber.jpg

[Rabid Whiphid]

Here's a little comparison to give a taster of the type of thing we can hope for in the Saga Boxset if LFL do a proper job! (Second image courtesy of insaneMOVIEgoer @ comingsoon.net forums)

From
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4505/sabers2004ayw8.jpg

To
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a22/TJ4life/otsaber.jpg

That looks stupid! The lightsabers are correct but now there's a SUN FLARE on the lense from where they touch??!! I think somebody was having too much fun with Photoshop.

[Tyranus22]

That looks stupid! The lightsabers are correct but now there's a SUN FLARE on the lense from where they touch??!! I think somebody was having too much fun with Photoshop.

I agree there's too much flare but it's still a big improvement on the OT 2004 shot imo!

[Master Magnus]

I think the lens flare looks rather nice...

[jayce76]

I kinda like it myself. I'm just not crazy how it drowns out the Emperor . .

[Master Magnus]

I kinda like it myself. I'm just not crazy how it drowns out the Emperor . .
Yes I agree, that's too excessive, but if it had been toned down a little...

[jayce76]

Yep!

[Razorback]

I am actually working on a little video of Anakin's path, and I took that crappy 2004 shot and simply "fixed" it so it looks the way it should have had they taken time with those DVDs.

When I get it finished (I just finished my master's and finally have a little time to have fun) I will post a link. It is so darn easy to fix that it makes one wonder just why they wouldn't have taken the 5 seconds it took me to fix it... oh wait, I know why. :)

[Razorback]

Actually, here ya go... I put it into an animated gif... it doesn't look great this way but you can see what five seconds worth of work looks like... a bit:

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1731/fixedsabersrotjsw8.gif

[jayce76]

Looks great , . . .

Thanks for that Razor!

[Zedekk]

SWEET!:D

[Tyranus22]

Actually, here ya go... I put it into an animated gif... it doesn't look great this way but you can see what five seconds worth of work looks like... a bit:

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1731/fixedsabersrotjsw8.gif

Great work!! As you say this shows how easy the 2004 crappy lightsaber shots would be to fix! There's NO excuse for them not to fix them for the Saga Boxset!!

[jayce76]

Right'on brotha . . . .

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2999/fpx9.png (http://imageshack.us)

[jayce76]

I'm hoping he also totally redose a lot of trooper shots in 'Clones' . . .

[DonSwoosh]

jayce,

Rob Coleman mentioned on the Episode III commentary that Lucas could tell that the Clonetroopers were animators from ILM doing the motion captured, hence the reason they hired an ex-military guy to do the motion capture of the Clonetroopers in Episode III. And by the results, you can tell it's much better.

It wouldn't surprise me if they went back to Episode II (for the Set) and redid shots of the Clonetroopers to better fit into the types of actions and motions the Clonetroopers had in Episode III.

[jayce76]

I know thanks mate . . . .

I'm just saying I hope he does for the definitive set . . .

[jayce76]

Still keeping my Figers crossed . . .What chapter do you wish to see the most added scenes back in the film . . .

I'm saying 'Clones' . . . .

[Vesper]

Clones & Sith.

TPM could use some updating with the CGI, but overall it holds up.

[Tyranus22]

I'm not too picky about deleted scenes being added back in, many of the deleted scenes that appear on the bonus discs were rightfully deleted imo. However I'm sure there's many deleted scenes that haven't been seen/appeared on the bonus discs that could be worthy of inclusion.

I liked the political scenes from ROTS with the formation of the Rebel Alliance and the meeting with Palpatine. If there is any extended lightsaber fight footage(from all 3 prequels) I think it should be added back in. I'd also like to see Yoda's Dagobah scene added back into ROTS. Some more of Order 66/Jedi Temple raid would be nice too!

[P-Ray]

I wonder if this will truly happen, and then I remember that the TPM Yoda scenes have already been changed.

[Tyranus22]

Well I think it's pretty safe to assume the TPM Yoda change and OT lightsaber fix up will happen at least.

[jayce76]

It probally safe to assume that this will also be a director's cut of the films as well . . . .

[P-Ray]

It probally safe to assume that this will also be a director's cut of the films as well . . . .
I wouldn't mind seeing a couple of the PT scenes added back in now that I've seen them all a couple hundred times.;)

[jayce76]

That's the point mate . . . . I think if done rite it could bump up the films considerbly. That's why it excites me so . . . .

[GeneralDirection]

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/release/video/news20060912.html

In commemoration of today's release of the Star Wars Trilogy as individual movie DVDs -- including the original unaltered trilogy being released on DVD for the first and only time -- starwars.com has compiled some of the content highlights from A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi which have appeared on the site over the past ten years.

I supppose that pretty much confirms that the original versions will not be on the 2007 set.

[Darth Octavious]

See I told you, well not you but to Fanboy. The OT that is going to be in the 30th Anniversary is the version that Lucas has invisioned and intented. And there should be no surprise if he adds/changes a little more in all the movies. So get them now, because after this there GONE!

[Tyranus22]

I agree, I really doubt the O-OT will be included with the Saga Boxset.

[walong]

^ that doesn't exclude the possibility of a restored/cleaned up version of the "unaltered" films.

[DonSwoosh]

walong,

It excludes the Theatrical Versions getting a remasterd facelift in the Boxset next year.

In all honesty, fans might not see the Theatrical Versions remastered properly until maybe HD, if that.

I just don't see them showing up in the Boxset. It totally defeats the purpose of the Limited Edition set that was just released.

[RollaFett]

"First and only time"
That statement sums it up for you guys, eh? Really? Did you forget the fact that the unaltered versions were never supposed to make it to DVD in the first place? Yet, here they are. Did you forget that the OT wouldn't make it to DVD until well after EPIII? Hmmm...seem to remember that release happening well before EPIII.
Don't ever believe anything 'official' coming from Lucasfilm.

[Zedekk]

anyone see the movie "True Lies" :D

[GeneralDirection]

"First and only time"
That statement sums it up for you guys, eh? Really? Did you forget the fact that the unaltered versions were never supposed to make it to DVD in the first place? Yet, here they are. Did you forget that the OT wouldn't make it to DVD until well after EPIII? Hmmm...seem to remember that release happening well before EPIII.
Don't ever believe anything 'official' coming from Lucasfilm.

True, but those were all cases of LF saying one thing, then changing their mind several years later. In this case, LF are apparently already putting together the 2007 set, so they will know by now whether or not the OOT will be on that set. I'd say this article pretty much confirms that they won't be. It doesn't rule out a future HD-DVD release, though.

[Darth Star]

It doesn't rule out a future HD-DVD release, though.
I wouldn't doubt that some time in the future the OOT will be packaged with an HD version (that was previously released) as a bonus disk that isn't HD. :(

[T-bone]

It isn't like they haven't said something like that before.

[Darth Octavious]

Anyway, how would you want the 30th box set to look like? Say something like the slim cases like The Godfather.

[empire21]

Say something like the slim cases like The Godfather.

That would be nice, i'd hate to have something a mile long on my shelves.

[Senator Meroa]

I speak for millions when i say "Han shot first!"

[Darth Octavious]

I speak for millions when i say "Han shot first!"
You know I am going-out-on-a-limb saying this, but if there's one thing that should stay in the 30th Ani. Saga boxset, in the final Lucas OT, not the O-OT, is Han shot first.

[jayce76]

I do like the Gold or Silver look to the cover art of the film / but I also hope they use a lot of the classic artwork as well . . .


I imagine Vader will be a big part of the Artwork and style of the coverart . . . . just a hunch .

[Tyranus22]

I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with the cover art too.

[jayce76]

Too George's credit he allways seems to get that rite . . . .

I just wish Warners would of contracted 'em . . .lol

[RollaFett]

^ He always gets what right? The DVD covers?! Surely you're joking.

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"First and only time"
That statement sums it up for you guys, eh? Really? Did you forget the fact that the unaltered versions were never supposed to make it to DVD in the first place? Yet, here they are. Did you forget that the OT wouldn't make it to DVD until well after EPIII? Hmmm...seem to remember that release happening well before EPIII.
Don't ever believe anything 'official' coming from Lucasfilm.


True, but those were all cases of LF saying one thing, then changing their mind several years later. In this case, LF are apparently already putting together the 2007 set, so they will know by now whether or not the OOT will be on that set. I'd say this article pretty much confirms that they won't be. It doesn't rule out a future HD-DVD release, though.



Listen, I'm not saying that they're being straight with us or not. You make a good point about the timeframe, but my point is that I simply cannot read a statement like that from Lucasfilm and take it seriously, ever again.

[jayce76]

No , . . .I'm not joking mate. The Star Wars covers are always pretty fly for a white guy!

[RollaFett]

Sure, if you like cheesy looking photoshopped images instead of the spectacular Drew Stuzan paintings that are done for the theatrical releases.

[empire21]

^ I agree, I'd love to have some Drew Struzan paintings on the DVD covers

[jayce76]

Sure, if you like cheesy looking photoshopped images instead of the spectacular Drew Stuzan paintings that are done for the theatrical releases.


You gotta be kiddin mate . . .He still well uses the Drew Struzan on the coverart for a lot a things man.

[Tyranus22]

I'm confused and concerned! According to Shane_P over at theforce.net forums, he just recieved his edition of the new "Insider" where Lucasfilm say they have no plans to release an Ultimate DVD Boxset!:(

[Master Magnus]

Sure, if you like cheesy looking photoshopped images instead of the spectacular Drew Stuzan paintings that are done for the theatrical releases.
I think Drew Struzan overdoes the lens flare effects...

[RollaFett]

You gotta be kiddin mate . . .He still well uses the Drew Struzan on the coverart for a lot a things man.

Oh man, are you confused or something? I know Struzan does the theatrical release posters, but that's about it. Why that art isn't carried over to the dvd covers is what I'm *****ing about. If GL wants something new, I'm sure that Struzan is creative enough to do different versions for the dvds. In any case, the current dvd covers for all of the films flat out suck. They look like sloppily put together photoshop projects, and I expect more from Lucasfilm.

[RollaFett]

I think Drew Struzan overdoes the lens flare effects...

Perhaps, but they still kick ass to me.

[Tyranus22]

What do you guys(T-Bone etc.) think of Lucasfilms comments in "Insider" saying there's no plans for an Ultimate Star Wars DVD Boxset? I can't help but wonder are they just saying that to maximise sales of the O-OT. It is discouraging to hear nonetheless!

[jayce76]

What's strange is Rick the hutt has already been interviewed briefly about the suposed Ultimate set a yr. ago / were he said they were starting early work . . . .


How recent is the 'insider' comments?

[jayce76]

Oh man, are you confused or something? I know Struzan does the theatrical release posters, but that's about it. Why that art isn't carried over to the dvd covers is what I'm *****ing about. If GL wants something new, I'm sure that Struzan is creative enough to do different versions for the dvds. In any case, the current dvd covers for all of the films flat out suck. They look like sloppily put together photoshop projects, and I expect more from Lucasfilm.


I am confused & something!!

[Tyranus22]

What's strange is Rick the hutt has already been interviewed briefly about the suposed Ultimate set a yr. ago / were he said they were starting early work . . . .


How recent is the 'insider' comments?

It's the most recent edition of Insider, members of theforce.net forums said they got it in the mail today.

By Rick the Hutt do you mean Rick McAllum? What interview did he mention the Saga Set in? I REALLY hope we still get the Saga Boxset next year, I can't think of anything else they'd do to mark the 30th anniversary, it'll be too early to release the 3D versions of the movie so the Saga DVD Boxset would make the most sense imo!

[jayce76]

It's been rumored and talked about for yrs. / mabie they just wanna suprise us?


I'm sorry Tyranus22 but I can't find the link / Rick said it in an interveiw at Com-con or one of those things that they were starting early work on it.

I actually read it at the Force.net . . . lol

[T-bone]

I'm confused and concerned! According to Shane_P over at theforce.net forums, he just recieved his edition of the new "Insider" where Lucasfilm say they have no plans to release an Ultimate DVD Boxset!:(

yea - we'll see about that.
lucas says a lot of things.

[jayce76]

LOL . . . .

That about sums it up!

[Master Magnus]

What do you guys(T-Bone etc.) think of Lucasfilms comments in "Insider" saying there's no plans for an Ultimate Star Wars DVD Boxset? I can't help but wonder are they just saying that to maximise sales of the O-OT. It is discouraging to hear nonetheless!
Perhaps it's semantics: It isn't called the "Ultimate Edition".:p Seriously, I've been a skeptic from the beginning, but let's see how this turns out.

Btw, Tyranus22, do you have a link?

[Darth Fool]

Perhaps it's semantics: It isn't called the "Ultimate Edition".:p
That was my first thought too. Or maybe they're releasing the "Ultimateish Edition", and then the "Ultimate Edition" will come later. Hmm maybe between those two sets they'll find time to release a "Almost-but-not-quite Ultimate Edition".
Anyway I'm sure we'll get a set next year. When's Lego Star Wars III out?

[jayce76]

If it's just a matter of wording than that's pretty sneaky . . .


I still don't understand why Rick or Georgie would deny it . . . Why not get people excited about the process . . . ?

[Mothman]

If it's just a matter of wording than that's pretty sneaky . . .


I still don't understand why Rick or Georgie would deny it . . . Why not get people excited about the process . . . ?

Follow the money!

They're just saying that now, because they have something "new" on the market currently. Just watch...things will change once the current "limited edition" items are off the shelves after Christmas and it's time to milk the cash cow again (just in time for the 30th Anniversary).

[Tyranus22]

Perhaps it's semantics: It isn't called the "Ultimate Edition".:p Seriously, I've been a skeptic from the beginning, but let's see how this turns out.

Btw, Tyranus22, do you have a link?

I don't. One of the members over at theforce.net forums said that he got his copy of the magazine and he'd put the quote online but he hasn't done so yet.

[RollaFett]

Follow the money!

They're just saying that now, because they have something "new" on the market currently. Just watch...things will change once the current "limited edition" items are off the shelves after Christmas and it's time to milk the cash cow again (just in time for the 30th Anniversary).

You got that right! Why would they publicize a forthcoming dvd release when some of that same content just when on the market in another version 2 weeks ago? They'll wait it out. I mean, god forbid you actually give your loyal consumers a choice about what to buy.
All of this really pisses me off, and Lucasfilm looks all the worse for it. Y'know, "Blade Runner" just released a brand new anamorphic dvd, and announced months ago that they will also release another, special edition next year. Now, that's giving the customer options. Let your fanbase know, upfront, that you don't have to spend more money than necessary. If you absolutley must have a really good looking edition of Blade Runner now, then buy it. But if you wait, you'll get even more.
Just be straight with people, dammit. A concept that Lucasfilm sorely lacks and it's making me sick.

[Tyranus22]

You got that right! Why would they publicize a forthcoming dvd release when some of that same content just when on the market in another version 2 weeks ago? They'll wait it out.

I know but why did they have to flat out deny they plan on releasing a Saga Boxset, they could have just not commented on the topic! It's misleading and unfair! I still think and hope there will be a Saga Boxset release next year anyway. If there isn't then I don't know why Lucas even has a marketing department!

[RollaFett]

First off, I'd be stunned if there isn't a boxset next year. Y'know it'll sell, regardless of the negative press they get about there constant reissues. Secondly, I'm not the least bit surprised that Lucasfilm is keeping the news quiet. Like I said, they just had a new reissue 2 weeks ago, and the TV spots are still airing for it. To announce, during that time, that another release is planned for the next friggin' year would be bring bad PR.

Now, there is a thirdly, as well. There is a teeny, tiny possibility that they're actually being honest and the only thing planned for the 30th anniversary is the 3D versions of the films that we've all heard about.

[T-bone]

There is NO WAY that company is going to let a big milestone like that go by without reissuing films. It's money in the bank.

[empire21]

There is NO WAY that company is going to let a big milestone like that go by without reissuing films. It's money in the bank.

Not if it's crap like what was just released and it will be quite the smack in the face to the people who bought the inferior product of this month if they go and give us the unaltered with the proper treatment, not saying that they will, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[DonSwoosh]

There's too much stuff that wasn't shown for them not to go all out for this Boxset....with or without the Theatrical Versions of the Original Trilogy.

I still don't think you'll see those anyway in that boxset.

[empire21]

I've been pretty turned off by SW lately with two pointless (IMO) DVD releases in a row, the only way I can see myself getting this 30th anniversary box set(if it happens) is if they have some deleted/incomplete scenes of the original trilogy as options not any of this extended nonsense just let me view it as an option, if not i'll most likely turn down this release also.

[DonSwoosh]

Well, it wouldn't surprise me if more deleted scenes from the Prequels as well as deleted scenes for the Originals showed up in the boxset...as well as new documentaries.

The thing I'm most hoping makes it is isolated score tracks for each film. I know Lucas really wanted that on the Episode I DVD but changed his mind. That would be nice.

This boxset will probably be my last Star Wars buy. Not because I'm angry or upset at Lucas (I prefer the Special Editions) but because I don't really see him doing anymore to the films themselves.

With these DVD releases and this future boxset, I don't think I need anymore info on the Saga in terms of behind the scenes. What we've got so far has been almost enough.

Only thing that's missing is deleted scenes from the Original Trilogy, complete making-of docs for Episodes II and III and actor commentaries from the Prequel cast.

[empire21]

Yes, cast commentaries for the PT would be a nice touch.

[DonSwoosh]

I'm kind of curious if Lucas will do a new isolated commentary track for each film, now having the Saga finished....where he gets more detailed about certain choices and inspirations....

And of course, I'm looking forward to seeing what he has changed again. I think the Prequels will get the most treatment instead of the Originals this time out....(gut feeling).

[jayce76]

I have that feeling as well , . . .so much the better .

[T-bone]

Not if it's crap like what was just released and it will be quite the smack in the face to the people who bought the inferior product of this month if they go and give us the unaltered with the proper treatment, not saying that they will, but I wouldn't be surprised.

no - that's why they always throw in that ONE thing you don't have. In this case, however, I bet there's a lot extra. It'll be more worth it and to be honest, I'm sort of looking forward to it. Not the price, but the items. :D

[empire21]

no - that's why they always throw in that ONE thing you don't have. In this case, however, I bet there's a lot extra. It'll be more worth it and to be honest, I'm sort of looking forward to it. Not the price, but the items. :D

Yeah, I don't really care if it's near the $150 mark (hopefully not) i'll get it if it's got the goods cause as everyone knows you can't get enough of SW extras. Most important to me though are the deleted scenes of the OT, that would be so sweet if included in this set.

[DonSwoosh]

Deleted scenes for the Original Trilogy, I believe, is a given. It's just the rest we're not so sure about....especially when it comes to the Prequels.

I mean, we got alot from the Prequel DVDs. I'm sure there are gazillions of hours of footage we've never seen but between the long-form documentaries, featurettes, and web-documentaries, we got a pretty good overview of the Prequels behind the scenes.

I just can't think of what might add to that. Maybe we'll get a documentary similar to "Empire of Dreams" for the Prequels.

Either way, I still can't get rid of the special feature discs to the DVDs we have now because that stuff won't be carried over to the boxset, I'm thinking.

[Tyranus22]

Little update - the forum member at theforce.net who read the comment in "Insider" said the comment was specifically addressing an Ultimate Boxset with additional scenes, the question was "Are ther plans for an Ultimate Boxset with new scenes of Bail on Alderan and Palpatine dissolving the senate?" to which LFL replied there are no plans for such a set, so imo that doesn't rule out a Saga Boxset, just that we won't be getting many new scenes in that set.

This would tie into what Razorback was saying a while back - that the OT will mainly have FX fix ups(lightsabers and blasters) and TPM will get a new transfer and CG Yoda. I'd still be very happy if this was the case. I just really want a Saga Boxset next year!

[DonSwoosh]

Thanks for clearing that up. And as Razorback was saying, that's all I would expect, in terms of changes to the Original Trilogy....

[Tyranus22]

Thanks to ShaneP over at theforce.net forums for posting the comment from "Insider", here it is....

Ultimate Edition, My Foot
Not too long before Revenge of the Sith made its debut,I remember Access Hollywood or one of those shows reported that George Lucas was shooting scenes to include in a future version of A New Hope. Later, I read on various blogs that Mr. Lucas was planning on releasing Ultimate Editions of the original trilogy in 2007. Are these sources mistaken, or are we fans in for some serious love in 2007? After seeing Revenge of the Sith,there are sevral scenes that I really think should be in A New Hope to help connect the two trilogies:Palpatine disbanding the senate,the last moments of Bail Organa's life before Alderaan is blown to smithereens, and Vader being picked up by a Star Destroyer at the end of the film and then learning the identity of the pilot who destroyed the Death Star(via the Emperor's hologram).
-Ken Michie, via Internet

We heard those rumours, too, but that's all they were-rumours. While you are indeed due for all kinds of Lucasfilm lovin' for Star Wars' 30th Anniversary next year, there are no plans to insert shots of Jimmy Smits screaming in horror before Alderaan gets annihilated,Palpatine telling all of his Senator friends to go home and do something useful with their lives, or Aunt Beru milking blue cows.

I'm happy now I've seen this for myself as it doesn't necessarily mean that a Saga Boxset isn't planned for next year, just that there are no plans to insert new shots or the Bail and Palpatine shots mentioned, into ANH. I'm still very hopeful we'll get a Saga Boxset with FX fix ups in the OT, CG Yoda in TPM + new transfer and whatever else!

[Master Magnus]

Yes, that cleared things up a little. :)

[jayce76]

Glad thats all cleared up now , . . . .I was beginning to worry .;)

I cetainly hope that the Prequels get the most workover time from George / I hope that a lot of the deleted scenes and such will be inncorperated back in the picture . . . and not just on the side .


There is so much material that could take the films from a 'Good' or 'O.K.' film to an even better movie dramatic wise . . . .

I could even see 'Revenge of the Sith' being inproved threw this process as well .

[Master Magnus]

The 2007 Star Wars 30th Anniversary LEGO catalogue is displayed over at Rebelscum (http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2006/lego_2007_cataloguescan.jpg) and the (German) text mentions "The Star Wars DVD box set that will be released for the 30th anniversary..." So, is this an early confirmation?

[T-bone]

The 2007 Star Wars 30th Anniversary LEGO catalogue is displayed over at Rebelscum (http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=http://www.rebelscum.com/toys2006/lego_2007_cataloguescan.jpg) and the (German) text mentions "The Star Wars DVD box set that will be released for the 30th anniversary..." So, is this an early confirmation?

Heh - good catch!

what does the rest of that line say?

[T-bone]

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index.php?categoryid=16&p2_articleid=978

[empire21]

Now that its pretty much confirmed I shall start to put my pennies aside. I just hope they go all out for this release and blow our minds.

[Darth Fool]

Heh - good catch!

what does the rest of that line say?

I think the next bit says this will help sales of the new models. It ends with saying that the anniversary logo will be on all Lego packaging.

[Razorback]

Heh.... we told you all there was a 2007 boxset and you all worried over some Insider article? ;)

As I said earlier (or maybe I said it on StarWars.com, I can't keep up) they will do everything possible to NOT admit it is coming. They want to sell these new sets. It is an added revenue stream. You are not going to dam up your revenue stream by announcing, or admitting to, a better boxset coming in less than a year.

The 2007 set is real... and it is spectacular! :victory:

[Razorback]

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index.php?categoryid=16&p2_articleid=978

Ahh, there we go. T always on top of things and scooping. I guess you don't need me here. :D

[Master Magnus]

Heh - good catch!

what does the rest of that line say?
Well... "The Star Wars DVD box set that will be released for the 30th anniversary will likewise propel the sale of the new models. The Anniversary logo will be portrayed on all the Lego Star Wars boxes."

EDIT: The picture was linked to from TFN (http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/LEGO_2007_Catalogue_Images_100555.asp) and now as I visited TFN it seems as if they actually broke the news.

[Mothman]

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/hc/2006/hc061002.gif

[Zedekk]

sweet^

[Tyranus22]

I know German and the translation goes...
"The Star Wars DVD Box, that will be released for the 30th anniversary will consequently increase sales of the new (Lego) models..."
This is great, our first bit of confirmation!!:) :D

[Master Magnus]

I know German and the translation goes...
"The Star Wars DVD Box, that will be released for the 30th anniversary will consequently increase sales of the new (Lego) models..."
This is great, our first bit of confirmation!!:) :D
Well, my translation wasn't that much off (I studied German in junior- and senior high school but I've forgotten much).

[Tyranus22]

I really hope they go all out with this Saga Boxset. As well as fixing FX(lightsabres, blaster shots etc) in the OT, replacing puppet Yoda in TPM and giving TPM a new transfer and whatever else they do with the movies, it'd also be nice to see some attention given to the overall packaging. This is a big event and celebration so I'd like to see something resembling the quality of the Superman Ultimate Edition Boxset for the Star Wars 30th Anniversary Saga Boxset. Can't wait!!:D

[Master Magnus]

Yes, it'll be interesting to see what (if anything) will come of this.

[Darth Fool]

I've just have this image in my head that they will fix up all the things they should have last time in the OT and they will stick CG Yoda in TPM. Qui-Gon is in ROTS.
The list of features on this image in my head is also impressive with fantastic new documentaries, the ROTS blooper reel we should have had. There's loads and loads of deleted scenes, including some we knew about. Incredibly there is nothing to do with video games in the set, no demos no trailers, they're filling the disc space with film-releated extras. This set is truly spectacular. it's what we've always wanted.


However.



Due to a technical ****-up the films are only presented in 4:3 format. Everyone breaks down in despair whilst Steve Sansweet insists we're getting upset about nothing.

[jayce76]

The other films we have now are already in anomorphic , so there's no reason they would'nt be . . . . .

[Tyranus22]

I've just have this image in my head that they will fix up all the things they should have last time in the OT and they will stick CG Yoda in TPM. Qui-Gon is in ROTS.
However.

Due to a technical ****-up the films are only presented in 4:3 format. Everyone breaks down in despair whilst Steve Sansweet insists we're getting upset about nothing.

Let's hope that doesn't happen!! I do agree though, I have a good feeling they'll get it right with this set!

[jayce76]

I have a positive feeling as well about the upcoming rerelease set , I hope thats a good thing . .

[Tyranus22]

I just had a scary thought today, if TPM gets a new transfer for the Saga Boxset, what if the restoration work causes the same problems as the '04 OT set ie. messed up lightsabers! I'd really hate if this happened, I for one don't want to see Dartn Maul igniting 2 pink blades!
What exactly was it that caused the lightsabers to go bad in the '04 set anyway? Was it the removal of grain or something to do with adjusting the contrast of the movies?

[DonSwoosh]

Tyranus,

I wouldn't worry about the transfer issue. It's my understanding from Razorback, that ILM hasn't really stopped working on the films since the 2004 boxset was released.

Plus, I'm sure Lucasfilm and possibly Lowry Digital have been working on the films since Lucas wrapped up the Prequels. I'm sure he's had a small team locked away, working on this set for a long time...even while he was working on Episode III.

I'm sure and hoping that the transfers for all six films will be as close to perfect, to Lucas' specifications of course, as possible.

And let's give a bit of credit to Lowry for the 2004 boxset, considering the time they had to work on these films. Those transfers are still pretty great, flaws and all.

[Tyranus22]

And let's give a bit of credit to Lowry for the 2004 boxset, considering the time they had to work on these films. Those transfers are still pretty great, flaws and all.

I acknowledge the time pressure they must have been under and I really think they did a great job cleaning up the films, it's just the resulting effect that clean up work had on the lightsabers that frustrates me. I doubt they'll make the same mistake twice anyway, fingers crossed!

[DonSwoosh]

Tyranus,

I don't think they will. That aspect should be taken care of in the boxset.

[Tyranus22]

Tyranus,

I don't think they will. That aspect should be taken care of in the boxset.

Hopefully they do it right this time. I just got the Ultimate Matrix Collection yesterday and after seeing the gorgeous new digital transfer The Matrix got I have very high hopes and expectations for the Saga Boxset. I really want the OT lightsabers fixed (I hope Lucasfilm and Lowry are actually aware of how bad the lightsabers looked in the '04 set) as well as TPM CG Yoda and a new TPM transfer! As it stands now I think TPM is the worst looking transfer in my entire DVD collection!

[DonSwoosh]

Tyranus,

From what Razorback has said a few times, Lucas and ILM know about the lightsabers. It's not something they intended in the first place. But, time was of the essence so it seems that they were on the ILM "to-do" list for later....

And yes, by today's standards, Episode I is the worst transfer. But again, that was Lucasfilm's first DVD ever so, there's a learning curve.

[Master Magnus]

Tyranus,

From what Razorback has said a few times, Lucas and ILM know about the lightsabers. It's not something they intended in the first place. But, time was of the essence so it seems that they were on the ILM "to-do" list for later....

And yes, by today's standards, Episode I is the worst transfer. But again, that was Lucasfilm's first DVD ever so, there's a learning curve.
And then of course TPM was filmed using film which can be of significance.

[DonSwoosh]

Magnus,

True. It was shot on film but so were the Original Trilogy and look how those 2004 transfer turned out. Lucas likes the digital look. The grain in the 2004 transfers is practically gone. The Tatoonie scenes in Episode IV are the only spots that you can still see some of the grain. I don't think that'll ever change, mainly because of the age of the film.

It wouldn't surprise me if Episode I got the same treatment and much, if not all, of the grain disappeared from the new transfer.

[thepepgal]

I don't mind the transfer as they are. I just want 7.1 sound so I can really try out my THX approved 7.1 entertainment system. I like to see the deleted scenes from the OT in a better quality than the pirate copies floating around or on cd-rom of Behind the Magic. They could include the screen tests for the actors to preserve them and stop the pirate copies selling well.

[jayce76]

That would be cool , would blow my speakers but it would be cool . . .I agree about the screen test . . .

I like to see it for the O.T. and the P.T.

[thepepgal]

That would be cool , would blow my speakers but it would be cool . . .I agree about the screen test . . .

I like to see it for the O.T. and the P.T.


Of course screens tests for both, GL would have them all.

[huttslime]

Will the soundtrack have all of the tracks, because the prequel ones only have about half of them.

[jayce76]

Most likey , . . .

[jayce76]

Will the soundtrack have all of the tracks, because the prequel ones only have about half of them.


It will most likely be the full motion picture score , . . yes!

[jayce76]

I imagine there aiming all that for next year . . . .

[jayce76]

How T , . . .

Are you in the process of working on any new new about the 30th buddy . . . ?

[Tyranus22]

I doubt we'll get any announcement on the Saga Boxset until after Christmas. I'm guessing we'll hear something about it in February.

[RollaFett]

That sounds logical. They wouldn't want to say anything that may affect X-mas sales for the current release.

[jayce76]

Wasn't exactly talking about anything official , but your rite , that probaly won't happen for a while .

[Tyranus22]

This is the latest on the 30th Anniversary set from DarthButt over at theforce.net.....

I'm looking all over for a transcript of this, but can't seem to find it. Anyway, I was watching the show Electric Playground on G4 today, and one of the host was interviewing a representative talking about new things coming out such as toys and what not. Well they basically confirmed the movies are being released for the 30th anniversary, and were saying something about them being individually sold in tins (I'm guessing in the style of the recent release from Best Buy) and each one will have like three of four toys included in them, which are characters from that film. They didn't go into anything about what was going to be released as far as the features go, or changes or anything. But looks like more confirmation on something coming out. I hope that's not the only way they are releasing it though. I really want that box set!!


Good news but here's hoping they focus more of fixing/improving the movies themselves rather than promotional gimmicks like toys for the Saga Boxset.

[jayce76]

True , . . .but a tin would be cool . . . .

[Tyranus22]

It would be. I don't mind if they do that as long as they give the choice of a Saga Boxset as well! If they offer tinned 30th Anniversary editions of each film for those who only want maybe one or two films and then offer a Boxset of the films for the fans. That'd be a good idea marketing-wise.

[GeneralDirection]

This is the latest on the 30th Anniversary set from DarthButt over at theforce.net.....


Sounds pricey. Unless they're going to sell them in a box-set minus the toys, I might have to consider skipping this.

[huttslime]

I heard that there is a Original Trilogy dvd set, that has the movies in original condition, from when they came out in 1977, 80, 83, and the 2004 digitally remastered version - here is a link: http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/release/video/news20060503.html

only avaibable to december 31st

[huttslime]

the actual link is here (http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/release/video/news20060503.html)

[Sluggo]

Yup, I got mine some time ago. The picture is so bad on them that I haven't watched them more than a few times each.

[Master Magnus]

I heard that there is a Original Trilogy dvd set, that has the movies in original condition, from when they came out in 1977, 80, 83, and the 2004 digitally remastered version - here is a link: http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/release/video/news20060503.html

only avaibable to december 31st
You heard correctly. It's being discussed in this thread (http://www.galacticsenate.com/showthread.php?t=11046).

Oh, and :welcome:!

[huttslime]

I wonder if the picture would still look bad in HD

[Cydon]

It does.

[melissa_ladyvader]

i cant belive its going to be 30 YEARS!

jesus christ

carrie fisher is 50, mark hamil is 55, harrison ford....is around in 64...or something like that..........WOW!!!

THEY WERE SO YOUNG........

[huttslime]

It does.

did you watch it in HD?

because I will, at my neighbors house.

[melissa_ladyvader]

yo darth magnus i love ur avatar
especially how it shows "anakin"...and then darth vader....WOW!!

[huttslime]

^ check out this image:

[Cydon]

Very interesting. No, not in HD. But someone at the OSW Forums told me it comes in bad on HD too.

[Mark Skywalker]

Here is The 30th Anniversary saga Banner from Steve Anderson enjoy .

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3702/000a30thanniversaryho7.jpg

http://www.steveandersondesign.com/gallery.php?entry=gal/Star%20Wars/00-0_A30thAnniversary.jpg

[empire21]

Now that is pretty damn sweet.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

Yeah, cool, makes it even better to see it on a day when you are watching all those characters too! :bigsmile:

Is it my eyesight, or have the ewoks made it onto this but not Jar-Jar?!

[T-bone]

Interesting piece. I like some of the parallels but are these just photoshop comps or did he recreate some of this artwork?

Good stuff nonetheless.

I think the 30th Anniversary stuff will be interesting, artistically.

[Mark Skywalker]

Interesting piece. I like some of the parallels but are these just photoshop comps or did he recreate some of this artwork?

Good stuff nonetheless.

I think the 30th Anniversary stuff will be interesting, artistically.

Agreed I can't wait to all the artist stuff to celebrate The 30th Anniversary for The Epic STAR WARS saga :duel:

[huttslime]

That picture just makes me want to jump into the air and clap my hands! - ?

[vader4902]

I agree one thousand percent. Gripes about the "New Ending Music" for ROTJ mark the specific point where the complaints of the "Star Wars Post-1997"- Bashers tend to fold in on themselves and become blatantly self-contradictory.

The Ewoks have always been the one thing that all (well, okay, most) SW fans loves to hate. So when I hear people say they want the old "Yub- Yub" song put back into ROTJ, because the new ending music is "so bad"... that's when I know they are just complaining to complain, and bashing a Special Edition change not based on its own merit but simply because it IS a change.

Personally, I love the new music that has been added to the ending of ROTJ, and feel it was a change worth making because it genuinely improves the film. This new ending music has a nice, bittersweet feel to it - uplifting because it accompanies a happy ending to the story - the good guys won the war! But also a little meloncholy because it signifies that, for the audience, it IS The End, the very, very end, and the time has come to say goodbye to our SW friends and go away for a while. So it fits the emotional tone of the scene perfectly.

The other reason I love - and have loved from the first listen - the new ending music, is because, as much as I enjoy ROTJ, I have always hated that stupid "Yub- Yub" song. I have hated that Ewok vocal song ever since 1983, when I was in the 5th freakin' grade, when ROTJ first came out.

Just like every other kid I knew in 1983 hated that song, not only because it sounded stupid but because it was being sung by the freakin' Ewoks... who we ALL hated, right from the beginning.

Now here we are in 2006 and those same kids are in their 30's like me. And whenever the subject comes up, they love to grouse about how ROTJ was ruined... ALL BECAUSE OF THOSE STUPID EWOKS!!!

But then, as soon as the topic of the 1997 Special Edition comes up, suddenly they're crying about how bad they want that "Yub Yub" song to be put back into the film... a revision that would accentuate the Ewoks' screen presence... the very element that they claim "ruins" the movie.

When you point out this snag in their logic, it tends to give them pause. They never seem to have a snappy comeback for that one, and it becomes abundantly clear that they are just complaining for the fun of it, and ripping on Star Wars because it always feels cool to despise and ridicule anything that is popular. It also tends to reveal that their gripes are mostly hollow, motivated by their social agenda as opposed to any genuine, serious thought about the work of art they are bashing.




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x2!

Bravo!

[RollaFett]

I look at that a little differently. While I am certainly no fan of the Ewoks, that was the song I was accustomed to hearing through the years when watching ROTJ. So, when it was replaced, I was taken aback. But, upon giving the new music a chance, I easily preferred the new music (New? It's nearly 10 years old!). I'm just glad that I have a pre-SE soundtrack as well, so I can listen to "Yub Yub" if I wish.

[Master Magnus]

I loved the new music at the end of ROTJ from the start. I wonder what changes - if any- will be made to the (possible) 30th Anniversary DVD set.

[Tyranus22]

We really need some sort of official confirmation/announcement from LFL soon. My patience is wearing very thin! We got the first official announcement for the '04 set in February so time is running out.

[empire21]

Check this bootlegged Saga box set out.

http://www.dvdbyte.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=221

I wouldn't even pay that much for the official set when it comes out.

[Jedi Master Harrison]

I wonder how many poor mugs were so desperate to have it that they paid the full whack?! :censored: rip-off!

[empire21]

I wonder how many poor mugs were so desperate to have it that they paid the full whack?! :censored: rip-off!

Hopefully not many.

[Rabid Whiphid]

I just hope for the 30th Anniversary DVD, if they make any changes to the OT, that they would change Boba Fett's voice back to the way it was originally. I've never been a Special Edition Basher. But that change bugs me. It changes that character in my mind. The new "Jango clone