Do You Remember Your Mother...

[Lonesabre]

Now this may have already been covered somewhere along the line but...

On Endor when Luke asks the above question to Leia she answers straight away. Does this mean that she already knew that she was adopted at his time. Did she find out somewhere during the OT? Did she just think Luke was talking about Mrs Organa as her REAL mother? Was George Lucas's writeing just THAT terrible?

Does this pose some new questions about the twins seperation in Episode III?

Hmmmm

[X-3PO]

No I think Leia knew she was adopted from the start. In all the literature old and new she is always refered to as "the adopted daughter of the king of Alderaan." Which seems to set up her charecter as knowing that she was adopted. I think when Luke says "Your real mother" he is talking about Padme, because Luke never met her, and wanted to perhaps get some sort of knowledge about her before he went off to face Vader, perhaps not to return.

[Mothman]

Actually, I think that Luke was using that to transition to telling Leia about her REAL father. Especially since Luke was about to go off to face him.

[X-3PO]

Well yes that too.

[Justin]

Everyone knows that Mon Mothma is Luke & Leia's mommy, because "Mothma" means "Mother" in Dutch.

[Javen]

Originally posted by Justin@Feb 5 2003, 11:21 PM
Everyone knows that Mon Mothma is Luke & Leia's mommy, because "Mothma" means "Mother" in Dutch.
So what does Mon mean twins?

Mon Mothma=Twins Mother?

[Lord Rocha]

Traitorious Rebel President Mon Mothma , mother of Luke and Leia ?...Nah

It makes more sense that Mon Mothma is Padme in hidden ID (Sounds stupid).

[Lonesabre]

Originally posted by X-3PO@Feb 5 2003, 08:21 PM
I think when Luke says "Your real mother" he is talking about Padme, because Luke never met her.
So by this do you think that Leia will not be seperated from Padme at the same time as Luke. Perhaps, as she has a memory of her, they wont be seperated for a year or so after Luke was taken?

It would make sense?

[Obi-Stu]

Firstly I beleive Leia remembers her real mother ie. Padme.

I think - and only think, that Luke and Leia are seperated at
birth. leia spends some time with her mother before she dies. There has been a lot of speculation over this and I still haven't worked out how the whole this is going to work.

[X-3PO]

Yeah I agree with Lonesabre, I think Leia spends some time with Padme and Luke is seperated completely from her.

Everyone knows that Mon Mothma is Luke & Leia's mommy, because "Mothma" means "Mother" in Dutch.

Please tell me that is sarcasim.

[Mann]

actually, I think he's telling the truth

[X-3PO]

You stay outta this! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

[gerwani]

Doesn't the Return of the Jedi novel have a flash back where Leia remembers her mother when Luke asks if she remembers her?

[Whisper]

Mon Mothma as Padme is stupid. Leia states her mother died when she was young. And Mon Mothma is still alive in ROTJ.

As to Mothma meaning mother in Dutch, that may be. But ever occur to you that in this case it's not cuz of Luke & Leia, but that she's the "Mother" of the New Republic?

Or it could mean George saw the word...and used it.

[Mann]

OKay, here it is. Now if PAdme stayed with Leia, I thin kVader would sense that they were together. I think Leia is told she is dead so she doesn't go after her (Something her mother would have done). I also think they tell her that Anakin died, but none of them know this for sure.

ONce again: Padme is brown hair, brown eyed.
Mon Mothma is blue eyed, red haired.

I think the mother meaning is that she is the mother of the rebellion. She started it.


You stay outta this!

Huh?

[Mann]

And if Leia remembered her mother, wouldn't seeing Mon MOthma switch on a lightswitch in her head?

[Mothman]

Originally posted by Mann@Feb 10 2003, 11:10 AM
And if Leia remembered her mother, wouldn't seeing Mon MOthma switch on a lightswitch in her head?
Leia said she just remembered images, feelings. She might not remember exactly how Padme looked.

[Mann]

Yeah, but a feeling that would click the minute she and Mothma were next to eachother. Not to mention Mothma is a senator from Chandrilla.

[X-3PO]

And plus Leia has some Jedi powers, which would only enhance any "feelings" and memories of her real mother, no way that Mothma equals Padme.

[Mann]

yeah, not to mention Luke would have picked up on it. Padme might not be dead, but she aint in the OT.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mothman+Feb 10 2003, 11:11 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mothman @ Feb 10 2003, 11:11 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Feb 10 2003, 11:10 AM
And if Leia remembered her mother, wouldn't seeing Mon MOthma switch on a lightswitch in her head?
Leia said she just remembered images, feelings. She might not remember exactly how Padme looked.[/b][/quote]
Excuse me!!!

Quote: "She was very beautiful, kind but sad."

[Mothman]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007+Feb 13 2003, 12:01 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007 @ Feb 13 2003, 12:01 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Mothman@Feb 10 2003, 11:11 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Feb 10 2003, 11:10 AM
And if Leia remembered her mother, wouldn't seeing Mon MOthma switch on a lightswitch in her head?
Leia said she just remembered images, feelings. She might not remember exactly how Padme looked.
Excuse me!!!

Quote: "She was very beautiful, kind but sad."[/b][/quote]

If Leia remembers any specifics at all, she remembers Padme as she looked some 18-22 years before. Of course Padme would have aged, hair different, etc. It's very, very possible that Leia would not have recognized her, especially if she was searching for her since Leia thought that her mother was dead.

[Mann]

That's no evidence. Lucas would have to come up with some concrete explanation about her physical changes. But fact is that PAdme and Mon Mothma are two different people. So says the official site.

[Obidobi]

OKay, here it is. Now if PAdme stayed with Leia, I thin kVader would sense that they were together.

Vader didn't know he had children........

proof:
At the time of his transformation, Vader never knew he was due to be the father of twins. Obi-Wan Kenobi hid the children from the Dark Lord and Vader's master, Emperor Palpatine. Vader somehow discovered that he had a son, Luke Skywalker, but never suspected he had a daughter, Leia, who was secretly taken to be raised by Bail Organa, Viceroy and First Chairman of Alderaan


Star wars.com databank.

[Lord Rocha]

And Vader discovered of Leia in his match with Luke at the Death Star throne room

[Mann]

alright, here's my beef: how Vader could stand next to Leia and not know she was related?

[Lord Rocha]

Maybe he feel so many little force on her that she ignore the fact.

And after all she was the supposed adopted daughter of Bail Organa

[Mann]

well, i think the force streches the boundaries of a piece of paper that says who you belong to.

[Lord Rocha]

There are too many contradictions in this saga...

[Lord Rocha]

And why didnt Owen Lars remember C3-PO on ANH , they spend many years together ?!!

[X-3PO]

alright, here's my beef: how Vader could stand next to Leia and not know she was related?

Half the Jedi council can stand next to Palpatine and not sense he is a Sith Lord?

[Luvinna.]

Interestingly enough, a question relating to this topic was printed (with an answer) in the SW Insider #66. Here's what they said:

In Return of the Jedi, on the moon of Endor, Luke asked Leia whether she remembers her "real" mother. She replies that she recalls only a little bit, feelings and such. Is Leia referring to Padme or to Bail Organa's wife?
The reference is indeed to Padme, Leia's biological mother. That Leia was adopted was presumably public knowledge in the Star Wars galaxy - or at least not a secret. Luke knew about it enough to qualify his question with the word "real". As was written in 1983, the vague memories and feeleings were of Luke and Leia's birth mother, though why Luke has no corresponding memories has yet to be revealed. Episode III will undoubtedly shed more light on Leia's enigmatic recollections and hopefully explain how Bail Organa came to adopt the little girl.

[Jedi Killer]

this is whats gonna happen people...........PADME BITES THE BIG ONE!

its bound to happen

[Mothman]

Originally posted by Luvinna@Feb 24 2003, 04:21 PM
Interestingly enough, a question relating to this topic was printed (with an answer) in the SW Insider #66. Here's what they said:

In Return of the Jedi, on the moon of Endor, Luke asked Leia whether she remembers her "real" mother. She replies that she recalls only a little bit, feelings and such. Is Leia referring to Padme or to Bail Organa's wife?
The reference is indeed to Padme, Leia's biological mother. That Leia was adopted was presumably public knowledge in the Star Wars galaxy - or at least not a secret. Luke knew about it enough to qualify his question with the word "real". As was written in 1983, the vague memories and feeleings were of Luke and Leia's birth mother, though why Luke has no corresponding memories has yet to be revealed. Episode III will undoubtedly shed more light on Leia's enigmatic recollections and hopefully explain how Bail Organa came to adopt the little girl.
There's still no proof that Padme "bites the big one". Given her character, it's more logical that she leaves to fight the Empire, perhaps by being a founder of the Alliance to Restore the Republic.

[Lord Rocha]

Originally posted by Mothman@Feb 25 2003, 10:37 AM
Given her character, it's more logical that she leaves to fight the Empire, perhaps by being a founder of the Alliance to Restore the Republic.
That can be very true.

Padme seems as a political idealist and surely is between the small circle of politicians that form the Alliance to Restore the Republic. That can be reason that she leaves Leia when she is so little and maybe she returns to Alderaan after a sickness and dies.

[Mann]

in the novel, of TPM, Anakin dreams Padme is leading an Army against him. Is it foreshadowing? duh! but how she leads it is a mystery.

all those in favor of saying Padme doesn't know about Vader in the PT say I!

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Mothman+Feb 10 2003, 11:11 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mothman @ Feb 10 2003, 11:11 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mann@Feb 10 2003, 11:10 AM
And if Leia remembered her mother, wouldn't seeing Mon MOthma switch on a lightswitch in her head?
Leia said she just remembered images, feelings. She might not remember exactly how Padme looked. [/b][/quote]
"Do you remember your mother, your real mother I mean?"

"Just a little bit, she died when I was young."

Uh, Mann, of course Padme will know what happens to Anakin, that's the reason that Obi-Wan and Padme hide the twins from him and the Emporer (ROTJ script and novel, and TOS.

Check out Luke, Leia, Obi-Wan, and Padme's profiles. (http://www.starwars.com/databank)

[Jedi Killer]

yea but wouldnt it add so much more drama and excitement and evil to EP3 if she dies? i think so

[Darth Vegas]

No, that's called unesseccary roughness.

[Jedi Killer]

well then i guess Dooku and Mace and all of the Jedi shouldnt die either. we dont want this movie to be that much of a downer.

[Darth Vegas]

Seeing a Jedi die is one thing, seeing Padme die is not only unesseccary, it goes against things stated in the Star Wars movies, specifically Return of the Jedi.

Besides that, GL said that the most important character to die in E3 is Mace Windu, Padme is obviously a more important character, conclusion: she won't die in E3.

[Jedi Killer]

Mace will be the most important becuase he will have the most lethal saber duel. Padme's death will be another thing. something kinda like Anakins mom.

[Darth Vegas]

No George Lucas said that the most important character that is going to die is Mace Windu, Padme is Luke and Leia's mother she's a more important character. She's not going to die no matter how much you think she will, get over it, keep believing that she will die if you want, but mark my words she's not going to.

[Jedi Killer]

George Lucas does change his mind from time to time and I wouldnt believe everything you read buddy. She's going to die no matter how much you think she will not, get over it, keep believing that she will not die if you want, but mark my words she's going to. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Lonesabre]

Just out of interest Bond, what do you think happens to Padme then if she doesnt die?

My opinions on this matter are well stated already {Im with DblDwn, Mothman and the rest, thinking she might be Mothma, but thats only my opinion}.

For all we know, Mon Mothma might be Padmes little sister, and this is the real reason she was edited out of EpII.......

[Mothman]

Originally posted by Lonesabre@Feb 26 2003, 04:21 AM
Just out of interest Bond, what do you think happens to Padme then if she doesnt die?

My opinions on this matter are well stated already {Im with DblDwn, Mothman and the rest, thinking she might be Mothma, but thats only my opinion}.

For all we know, Mon Mothma might be Padmes little sister, and this is the real reason she was edited out of EpII.......
You're all talking yourselves into the reality of the "Padme is Mon Mothma" theory. This is great!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

[NIGHTTRAVELER]

I love the heat of this topic, and enjoy reading evryones feelings on the subject. One of the effects guys on the Ep.II DVD same something to the effect of "People have a strong fondness for what theyTHINK they saw in the films". Now when he said this, he was talking about the Yoda puppet in ESB. I'm going too apply it to the "real mother" conversation. If you disagree with what I'm about to say, thats fine, but please.....hear me out.

Luke says "Do you remember your mother....Your REAL mother?" It seems a lot of people seem to think that they remember Leia simply saying "Yes....Yes I do..." If you watch the scene, Leia balks pretty hard at the question. Luke presses her a bit, and she says "Just images really"

Once the conversation gets to the point of Luke telling her that she is strong with the force and is his sister, Leia says "I know....Somehow I've always known", an obvious Jedi trait.

This being the case, Padme certainly can die (please read my past posts for more detailed theory) without the "memory" thing being a hole in the story. She can live just as easily, but dying between films creates more of a disturbance then the "memory" thing. She also could be Mothma, but I think that leaves to much unresolved at the end of the saga.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Lonesabre@Feb 26 2003, 02:21 AM
Just out of interest Bond, what do you think happens to Padme then if she doesnt die?


She will die sometime between E3 and ANH, as Leia recalls in ROTJ when her mother died.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by NIGHTTRAVELER@Feb 26 2003, 08:41 PM
This being the case, Padme certainly can die (please read my past posts for more detailed theory) without the "memory" thing being a hole in the story.
No because we then have an even bigger hole, Luke specifically states that he has no memory of his mother and that he never knew her.

If Leia remembered Padme from birth, so would Luke.

And don't even tell me that "maybe Luke didn't see her" crap because that doesn't cut it. Leia remembers that Padme was beautiful, that she was sad, and that she died when Leia was a young girl.

[Jedi Killer]

no no Bond, i think that Leia might be stronger with the force then Luke. females can be sometimes.

also, maybe Padme is with Leia longer. and did u ever think that maybe Luke just forgot. that happens sometimes with people you know.

just makes the movie more interesting if Padme dies and Anakin flips out cause "he couldnt stop her from dying" and THAT makes him turn to the dark side and become Lord Vader

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Jedi Killer@Feb 26 2003, 11:57 PM
no no Bond, i think that Leia might be stronger with the force then Luke. females can be sometimes.


Not the case, Luke was trained as a Jedi because Obi-Wan felt that Luke was the stronger of the two.

Source: ROTJ script and novel, TOS databank.

[Jedi Killer]

why does everyone wanna see Padme live? i dont get it. it would make the movie so more dramatic and evil if she dies? like bond, why dont u wanna see her die on screen? kinda like most of the jedis in the purge by Vader and the Empire

[Darth Vegas]

That's not the question.

I don't have a problem with her dying other than the fact that it contridicts what is said about Leia remembering her mother and Luke not remembering her mother in ROTJ.

There is no way (of yeah Lucas himself said this back in 97' in Starlog) to show Padme's death in E3 because of time constraints, even if they did it would mean jumping ahead a few years after E3, he himself addressed the fact that Leia and Padme do spend some time together!!!!

Besides all of that, as dark as E3 is going to be, GL has made it clear (see: JUNE 2002 STAR WARS INSIDER!!!!!) that it will not be completely bleak.

Too much human death = PG-13 or R rating, and we know that is not going to happen.

[Mothman]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007@Feb 27 2003, 02:20 AM
That's not the question.

I don't have a problem with her dying other than the fact that it contridicts what is said about Leia remembering her mother and Luke not remembering her mother in ROTJ.

There is no way (of yeah Lucas himself said this back in 97' in Starlog) to show Padme's death in E3 because of time constraints, even if they did it would mean jumping ahead a few years after E3, he himself addressed the fact that Leia and Padme do spend some time together!!!!

Besides all of that, as dark as E3 is going to be, GL has made it clear (see: JUNE 2002 STAR WARS INSIDER!!!!!) that it will not be completely bleak.

Too much human death = PG-13 or R rating, and we know that is not going to happen.
Also, GL doesn't like to kill off main characters unless he absolutely has to. If I remember correctly, I think that it was Harrison Ford who wanted Han Solo to be killed off in ROTJ but GL didn't want to kill off a main character unneccessarily.

[RollaFett]

Bond, why are you constantly using the ROTJ novelization as the bulk of your argument? Some of that novel has already been contradicted, don't use that to help your argument.

[Darth Vegas]

It's not only that, it's GL's own words, and what we have heard in ROTJ the movie.

I won't discount the info from the ROTJ script and novel until it's directly stated differently in E3, which I don't think will happen.

[bodhisattva yoda]

if padme lived (and she won't), but if she did, vader would surely kill her out of intense love-fueled hatred.

[Mothman]

Originally posted by bodhisattva yoda@Feb 28 2003, 09:48 AM
if padme lived (and she won't), but if she did, vader would surely kill her out of intense love-fueled hatred.
LOVE-FUELED HATRED? ? ? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[bodhisattva yoda]

yeah. you know. the most extreme hatred comes from love gone awry. you know, like the ex-boyfriend who plots to kill his old girlfriend sort of scenario. or like, ahem, oj simpson.

[Darth Vegas]

Yeah but Padme's not gonna cheat with Obi-Wan now is she?

[RollaFett]

Hmmmmmmmmm.......or is she?

[Lord Rocha]

Sounds good. Thats why Vader hates him so much.

[Lord Rocha]

Or Vader would be happy if Padme were in love with Obi-Wan ?
No...

That Padme was worried about Obi-Wan after his message (before been captured in Geonosis) can be the begining of a second distraction to Padme from her duties.

[Jedi Killer]

she wont cheat on him and anakin wont think that she is. thats not a good message to send in Star Wars

[bodhisattva yoda]

and killing tuskin children is?

[Jedi Killer]

yea but he's already mad at Obi-Wan

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by Senator Pter Thanas@Mar 1 2003, 04:49 PM
Sounds good. Thats why Vader hates him so much.
No, it's not. It has something to do with Anakin turning to the Dark Side, and Obi-Wan later fighting Anakin and him being f%^*ed up really bad.

Really stop it. That's not going to happen in any way shape of form.
Obi-Wan's the most non-sexual character in Star Wars, and besides he doesn't trust politicians.

[Jedi Kum-ahK]

Originally posted by Agent Bond A.K.A. TK-007@Mar 4 2003, 04:56 AM

Really stop it. That's not going to happen in any way shape of form.
Obi-Wan's the most non-sexual character in Star Wars, and besides he doesn't trust politicians.
He doesn't trust politicians, but he obvoiusly came to trust Bail Organa, didn't he?
1. Now, to that Padme = Mon Mothma theory: How would they be the same? Padme's from Naboo, Mon Mothma is from Chandrila. And padme's very young. Mon Mothma was a Senior Senator. End of debate.

2. Leia coulkd have known Padme if she was a little girl. Luke couldn't have since he was taken away as a baby.

3. Why Obi-wan trained Luke? Obviously there was no Jedi Master on Alderaan, so he had to train Luke. And I mentioned this in another thread that he and Bail and Yoda may have agreed on a two-prong approach where Leia was to take up the political side of the uprising against Palpy, while Luke was to handle the Force aspect.

[Mothman]

Originally posted by Jedi Kum-ahK@Mar 26 2003, 01:36 PM
1. Now, to that Padme = Mon Mothma theory: How would they be the same? Padme's from Naboo, Mon Mothma is from Chandrila.....
That's the deal with an alias.....you change your name and you might even tell people that you came from somewhere different than you really did. Otherwise, they might figure out who you really are.

[SmokemDeathsticks]

Hmmm...another interesting moldy oldie...


No George Lucas said that the most important character that is going to die is Mace Windu, Padme is Luke and Leia's mother she's a more important character. She's not going to die no matter how much you think she will, get over it, keep believing that she will die if you want, but mark my words she's not going to.

You know, I would love to believe this. The only thing that makes me doubt that GL thinks Padme is an important character is a few lines he said in the AotC cut scenes. I think it was for either the "family dinner" scene or the extended walk to the palace, but he said it was cut because there was (paraphrasing) "alot of character development, but ultimately unnecessary". Now, I don't remember the exact words he used, but it made me feel like Padme was considered a second-rate character, one not worth bothering with too much. Not that I agree with that if it is true, I think she should have been just as important as Anakin.

There is no way (of yeah Lucas himself said this back in 97' in Starlog) to show Padme's death in E3 because of time constraints, even if they did it would mean jumping ahead a few years after E3, he himself addressed the fact that Leia and Padme do spend some time together!!!!

That would be tres sweet plus it fits in with RotJ without belittling Leia's feelings and memory. Imagine if Padme dies and Leia is raised by a handmaiden for her early years. Then that scene would have the sour feeling of everybody knowing that Leia doesn't remember her "real mother" but some stand-in. Leia would have known only a lie all those years. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

if padme lived (and she won't), but if she did, vader would surely kill her out of intense love-fueled hatred.
No way, absolutely not. She's the last person in the universe he'd ever hurt. I will believe that until EPIII tells me otherwise.

And if that's what happens, I'll burn everything that has the words "Star Wars" on it that I own. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/skullwink.gif

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by SmokemDeathsticks@Jan 10 2004, 06:58 PM
You know, I would love to believe this. The only thing that makes me doubt that GL thinks Padme is an important character is a few lines he said in the AotC cut scenes. I think it was for either the "family dinner" scene or the extended walk to the palace, but he said it was cut because there was (paraphrasing) "alot of character development, but ultimately unnecessary". Now, I don't remember the exact words he used, but it made me feel like Padme was considered a second-rate character, one not worth bothering with too much. Not that I agree with that if it is true, I think she should have been just as important as Anakin.
If Lucas felt Padme weren't so important he wouldn't have centered the plots of Episode 1 and 2 around her character, and she wouldn't see nearly as much screentime. And she most certainly wouldn't be listed in the credits and the posters above Hayden Christensen and Jake Lloyd.

Lucas was only saying that those scenes were unecessary because they were kinda repetitive and they had some information we didn't need to know.

[blacksaber]

Padme: Brown Eyes, Brown Hair. Mothma: Blue eyes, Red hair

Hey Mann have you ever heard of the Punnett square?? Mendelan discovered dominate and recessive genes. Anakin has blue eyes brown hair!

Anakin- Bb- Brown hair is B, Blue eyes are b
Padme- DD- Brown hair is D, Brown eyes are D
Mothma- Rr- Blue eyes R, Red hair (resessive) r

Anakin and Padme
B b
D-DB Db
D-DB Db
result: Their kid would have Brown Hair and blue eyes (pretty close to luke, though his hair is blonde: how? Tatooine was a desert world and the sun could of bleached his hair

Annakin and Mothma
B b
R- RB Rb
r- rB rb
result: could be several different things: RB- could be a codominate mix Rust colored hair Rb- blue eyes
rB- another mix
rb- blue eyes red hair
Though the data for the recessive is unknown to me it shows that luke would of definately been Padme's son NOT MOTHMA'S style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

[Darth Badly]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

Do you think for one second that they take that stuff into account when they're casting actors?

[blacksaber]

Well that was just proving Mann wrong about his Mothma theory

[SmokemDeathsticks]

If Lucas felt Padme weren't so important he wouldn't have centered the plots of Episode 1 and 2 around her character, and she wouldn't see nearly as much screentime. And she most certainly wouldn't be listed in the credits and the posters above Hayden Christensen and Jake Lloyd.

What...Padme Amidala is listed in the credits?? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif You can give a star top billing and still starve the character. IMHO, that's what happened.
Natalie Portman, in a poll on this very board, was voted 3rd worst out of 10 actors. The character of Padme got 0 votes in another "favorite" character poll; right down there with JarJar and Bail! I'll bet it's the same on any other boards too. How come? Maybe because the character wasn't given enough time/material to make her understandable or popular.

Lucas was only saying that those scenes were unecessary because they were kinda repetitive and they had some information we didn't need to know.
Right, that's what I'm saying...what little bits of character that could have been gleaned from those scenes were deemed "Unnecessary" and "repetitive".

As you can tell, I really feel the character was stiffed big time. She's too pivotal to the plot to short-change. That's why I feel that she's ultimately not important to GL.

[blacksaber]

Padme is NOT pivotal! she was a waste of screen time

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by SmokemDeathsticks@Jan 12 2004, 04:37 PM
Natalie Portman, in a poll on this very board, was voted 3rd worst out of 10 actors.


As you can tell, I really feel the character was stiffed big time. She's too pivotal to the plot to short-change. That's why I feel that she's ultimately not important to GL.
How many people voted in this poll?

Lucas was only saying that those scenes were unecessary because they were kinda repetitive and they had some information we didn't need to know.
Right, that's what I'm saying...what little bits of character that could have been gleaned from those scenes were deemed "Unnecessary" and "repetitive".

Not just that, the film had to be cut down to a certain length, and those scenes kinda ruined the pacing,slowed the film down.

[Darth Vegas]

Originally posted by blacksaber@Jan 12 2004, 11:10 PM
Padme is NOT pivotal! she was a waste of screen time
Her character is central to the plots of both Episodes 1 and 2. Her character is a catalyst for some rather important events, such as Anakin's race for freedom, which is raced primarily in an effort to buy her a ticket to Coruscant. The assassination attempts on her life in Episode 2, a catalyst to seperate Anakin from Obi-Wan and take him down the path to Darthvaderdome. Let us not forget the two kids she pops out.

I short, whether you liked the character or not, she's integral to the plot.

[blacksaber]

I'm saying that all the jargon about her and annie could have been resolved in a nice 10 minute section

[SmokemDeathsticks]

How many people voted in this poll?
39. Does it matter? Although, for this discussion we're having now, the poll that's more important is the
"favorite character" poll. I tried to find it again but it's pretty far back and I just don't have the gumption tonight. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
I'm saying that all the jargon about her and annie could have been resolved in a nice 10 minute section
It's all a matter of taste; what you like and what you want to see.
Not just that, the film had to be cut down to a certain length, and those scenes kinda ruined the pacing,slowed the film down.
Now, call me a sissy but I'm not really a fan of big battle scenes, things blowing up, a zillion jedi fighting droids and aliens. After a while, those battle scenes become one big yawn for me because there's just too much going on. I'd rather have some of that huge ending battle cut away for some decent character development. If the character is Luke and Leia's mother, there better be some damn clear reasons why she does the things she does. It's unclear, and that's why I've seen more of this:
Padme is NOT pivotal! she was a waste of screen time
..than I can count.

And this is now waaayy off topic, so I'm gonna shut up style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[Darth Badly]

Of course I remember my bloody mother. What kind of thread is this???

[JediBendu]

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[Obi-Stu]

Of course I remember my bloody mother. What kind of thread is this???

Brilliant! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[Longshot]

Originally posted by SmokemDeathsticks@Jan 13 2004, 12:37 AM
Maybe because the character (Padme) wasn't given enough time/material to make her understandable or popular.


Shes only unpopular with fanboys like us because she doesnt race around in spaceships or wave a saber round her head.

[Sluggo]

To all those who insist that Padme becomes Mon Mothma, you should really see a doctor about that cranialrectal inversion. Padme is played by Natalie Portman in Episode III. Mon Mothma is played in Episode III by Genevieve O'Reilly. They are appearing in the same movie together. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/banghead.gif

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/castcrew.html

Hyperspace has even posted a pic of O'Reilly in costume. The likeness to the Mon Mothma in ROTJ is uncanny.

In the words of George Jetson "Jane, stop this crazy thing!"

[kngalaric]

Yes, I have always assumed that Leia was adopted, and that Luke was pulled away because Vader knew he had a son, but not "Sister, you have a twin sister." That was a surprise to him, but he knew he had already become "The ultimate deadbeat" in the universe. He figured 'at least I left the boy with some gifts' - midichlorians.

I mean that's why Obi-Wan hid him in the most obvious of places, right.

Because using the force, everything is possible, except figuring out what is right in front of your Sy Snoodlesesque nose.

But this means that Luke is pulled away from birth. He can't even get to see Padme or Leia, because anyone so powerful in the force would have some memory of his mother, right? :yinyang:

Plus, Anakin and the emperor will be searching for him. Anakin will be looking to kill him, right?

Yoda: always two there are!

Interesting complications that will have to be followed for the plot to connect with the OT. It also has interesting implications for the characters.

Sorry I didn't see the last few posts, only the first ones. Mon Mothma was obviously not Padme, both Luke and Leia would have known. And Leia remembers her mother as Badly pointed out in such a witty manner.