How would Vader have been treated if he lived?

[MANVERU]

Watching ROTJ the other day. I got thinking.

How would the New Republic treat Vader if he'd not died at the end of ROTJ?

And What would've happened to him?

I think that Luke would have pushed for Anakin to be a leading member of the New Jedi Order.
However there might have been some uneasy feelings towards Anakin from Mon mothma and Ackbar (just to name a few)

Would he have been exiled? Killed? Tortured? as he did to so many innocent people?


Now this will get you thinking!

[JediMasterJamz]

I doubt they would Torture him. Exile seems like a mouch more likely fate for Anakin.

[JackBauer24]

Assuming that he both lived and returned to the light side, I think he would have been tried for his crimes. Found guilty, there would be outcries for blood on the part of...well, the whole galaxy, but Luke would persuade everyone to keep Vader alive. From there, Vader would spend the next twenty years fighting to undo the damage he and the Empire did to the galaxy. Medical science would restore him to a body...perhaps even entechment into a replica droid...and he would join the fight against the YV in 25ABY. From there...who knows?

[Zedekk]

Very good Question, Manveru. I'm pretty sure he would go into hiding and exile. The only person I see trusting him would be Luke. And I do mean only person. Of course you would still have the Imperial remnant still out there and once they heard of Vader/Anakins survival they would naturally rally around him so he could return to that part of his life. And I think that is a key point in discussing this topic, because that would open the way for a sooner peace between the two hostile parties and would better prepare the Galaxy for the inevitable invaision of the Vong. Grand Admiral Thrawn might go rouge. The emperors clones might try to re-assert some power over Vader. But I still think it would be a very lonely life for the former Dark Lord.

[Emperor Cos Palpatine]

He would have to be tried for War Crimes I think regardless of whether he repented his sins or not. It is likely he would be sentenced severely but pardoned by Leia who is the Chief of State in the New Republic...I think :S

[MANVERU]

I'm not sure where they are in the NJO novels these days, but whent eh NR was formed, Mon Mothma was boss.

And she's not the type that would deal out mercy.

I reckon they would lighten his punishment by having him help them with Imperial secrets.
Have Anakin provide Imperial secrets so they might destroy the Empire quicker.
But it wouldn't suprise me Mon Mothma banished him.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Emperor Cos Palpatine @ Jun 27 2006, 01:07 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
He would have to be tried for War Crimes I think regardless of whether he repented his sins or not. It is likely he would be sentenced severely but pardoned by Leia who is the Chief of State in the New Republic...I think :S
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I don't know. Could Leia be that forgiving?

[MANVERU]

He is her father.

But would here duties to the New Republic overlap that?

[thepepgal]

He would have been tried for his crimes. He would have used his knowledge of the Empire to cut a deal and live and convert the rest of the Empire. He then would have hidden himself away since everyone would have wanted to pick a fight with him. Leia may have forgiven him earlier but she may not have gain the Chief of State role if it came out that she was his daughter.

[MANVERU]

Good point.

There would be very little respect showed towards her.
Her sence of leadership would diminish.

[thepepgal]

Thanks Manveru.

People would have feared that she could become like her father with a lust for power overshadowing the fact she was raised by Bail.

[JackBauer24]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zedekk @ Jun 27 2006, 10:09 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Grand Admiral Thrawn might go rouge. [/b][/quote]

He would go rouge? I never pictured Thrawn as a transvestite.

[MANVERU]

oh you know how thos Chiss' are.

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[JackBauer24]

"Ooh, that is the PERFECT shade for you! It goes right along with those creepy glowing eyes!"

[MANVERU]

LOL!!!

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"Goes great with that smashing bone white uniform!"

[Daniel San]

I think Vader would have been tried for his crimes, then either executed or imprisoned for life. Keep in mind that he was one of the worst mass murderers in the galaxy.

[MANVERU]

I don't think the NR believe in execution.

I believe it was in the Jedi Accademy Trilogy when Mothma said that it's against everything they stand for.

[Daniel San]

Ooh, true dat. Maybe they would make an exception on Vaders part. The inprisonment option seems more plausible I guess.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

He'd be locked up for life. But where could they imprison him? Hoth? Mustafar? Or maybe even Yavin IV? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vader.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[Obidobi]

He would move into Ben's old hut at Tattooine and live happy ever after and buried alongside his mother when he died. Might have a pod race now and then to keep the creditors at bay....

[MANVERU]

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Yeah, if he was banished, he'd hide somewhere like Tatooine. The NR wouldn't really have jurisdiction there, and he'd be able to slip away pretty easy

[Rabid Whiphid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(thepepgal @ Jun 28 2006, 05:00 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Leia may have forgiven him earlier but she may not have gain the Chief of State role if it came out that she was his daughter.
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And even more damaging than that, it could have kept Luke from starting up a new Jedi Order. People would be hard-pressed to turst him if he was constantly defending a monster like Vader... and if the fact that Vader was Luke's father ever came out, that could have ended the new Jedi Order before it even got started, because, it would have killed Luke's credibility.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

He would move into Ben's old hut at Tattooine and live happy ever after and buried alongside his mother when he died. Might have a pod race now and then to keep the creditors at bay....

And where exactely on Naboo was his mother buried? Does anyone know?

[Jedi Master 2k5]

I believe Just beacuse Vader was a sith lord, but did bring balance to the force, obi-wan kenobi and yoda would have forgiven him, and luke would have put him on the council after all if obi wan would have forgiven him and vader killed him, and yoda would have forgiven him and vader destroyed the Jedi order. The jedi forgave Revan and the look at what he did.

[Obidobi]

And where exactely on Naboo was his mother buried? Does anyone know?
You did see AOTC did you? Vader's mother aka Shmi was buried at the Lars homestead at Tattoine....

[jayce76]

Hurray for the films!!!!!!

[jayce76]

I think he would of been severly spanked by Ghost Yoda in the meditation chamber and sent to his room without supper . . .

[ForceFlow]

vader and anakin r two seperate ppl vader would b dead but noy anakin jedi master

[Braden Dar]

I don't believe that Anakin would have been accepted anywhere in the NR controlled regions of the galaxy after the things that he did as a Sith Lord. I know I would be hard pressed to think that Hussein had made a change and was now on the side of good and peace. How much more so for Vader's soul?

[jayce76]

vader and anakin r two seperate ppl vader would b dead but noy anakin jedi master


Is that english? What are you trying to say?

[Konig15]

No, No No! Vader would not go over the Alliance. Vader is ACUTELY aware of the destructive nature of the conflict and famously proclaimed the need to restore ORDER to the galaxy. He can't do that as an Alliance prisoner. As the presumptive heir to the Throne though, he can make critical changes to the Empire, to make it more palpable both to the general public and the Alliance.

If I recall my EU correctly, Vader HATED the idea of the Death Star, and thought it would drive systems unnecessarily into the Rebellion. Vader on his worst day was a BAD dude, but he was never ALL bad. He's a 22 year veteran of power politics and I doubt even with his redemption, he'd think 'well gee golly, I could end the war as Emperor, but I'd better turn myself over to be executed, cause it's the RIGHT THING TO DO.' Both out of fear and admiration, and he had lots of both, he could become Emperor without much trouble. He could easily cripple Rebel support simply by restoring the Imperial Senate and giving them real power. An Amnesty program would also hurt the Rebel ranks. Eventually, EVENTUALLY he's have to do some major housecleaning of brutal and corrupt moffs, but merely taking care of the worst ones, in public trial, under Imperial law, would be enough for people to say a new regime is in town and things are going to be better.

The ONLY reason that the Rebels were EVER able to exploit Endor was because the Empire disintegrated into civil war after the death of Vader. With a strong Emperor, even if he's a total tyrant, the Rebels are S*** outta Luck. Luke may not understand this at first, but Luke is smart and it wouldn't take long until he agreed that a reformed Empire would be the best bet.

[jayce76]

If I remember my E.U. correctly . . . .


























IT'S CRAPP!!!

[Zedekk]

^^ I like the point you make, Konig15.

[jayce76]

I think he went over-board!!!
























Heheee!!

[Tovor]

Konig15, I salute you.

[The Arbiter]

Jayce, don't. Konig15, agreed.

[jayce76]

Sir , Yes Sir!!!

[ForceFlow]

Is that english? What are you trying to say?

Vader and anakin are like a split personality throughout ROTS u see anakin slowly dying knealing before the emperor killed him and vader was born while anakin was lost saving luke brought anakin back.

[Konig15]

Vader and anakin are like a split personality throughout ROTS u see anakin slowly dying knealing before the emperor killed him and vader was born while anakin was lost saving luke brought anakin back.

Do you actually believe that crap? Sith teaching, Sith belief is becasicly Super Neiztschianism coupled with nihilism. The OT is basically an 'Anakin Gone Wild' you know, but without the drunk college chicks making out. ;)

[jayce76]

Athough their is a slug and a princess in a metal bikini . . .

[Konig15]

Touche... :cool:

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Vader and anakin are like a split personality throughout ROTS u see anakin slowly dying knealing before the emperor killed him and vader was born while anakin was lost saving luke brought anakin back.

Do you actually believe that crap? Sith teaching, Sith belief is becasicly Super Neiztschianism coupled with nihilism. The OT is basically an 'Anakin Gone Wild' you know, but without the drunk college chicks making out. ;)

This is just too exsistensial and nihilistic for me. Just stick to the story!

[jayce76]

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If this thread wasn't already dead I'd choke the *****!!!!! Can't a Black man in this day & age get any peace!

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[James William Alexander Atreides]

Okay. That was cool.

[Senator Meroa]

Read ROTJ infinities M'boy.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

I've read them. As I recall, Vader, with the help of both Luke and Leia, was converted back to the good side. But the Emperor escaped the destruction of the second Death Star and so the Rebels need Vader help to track down his former master. They even made Vader's armor all white since he became good.

[Orion - The Dog of War]

That ending from RotJ: Infinities never felt quite right to me. It might've just been that Vader's armour doesn't work in white. I'm not sure. I always imagined that had Vader lived after the end of RotJ, with the Emperor dead and the Death Star II destroyed, he'd have gone into exile to meditate or something.

That or maybe wanted to meet Liea and make sure that Han Solo guy was good enough for his little girl.

[Darth Massacrus]

Darth Massacrus, Reviver of Dead Forums, is here! I think Vaders first act as a born again Jedi would have been to tell the Alliance about Byss and its clones of Palpatine. Once that was out of the way, he could help rebuild the Jedi, aid the Alliance Military against the Imperial fleet, give away the Empires secrets( like the Maw), act as a double agent within the Empire in the sense that he claim to be the new Emperor but sabotage the Imperial war effort and set traps for the Imperial leadership (like Sate Pestage, Isard, the Grand Admirals, the Moffs, ect) and military, before turning over at least Coruscant. He could have even used the 501st Legion for these tasks as they were Vaders Fist. Anakin Skywalker certainly would haave sought forgiveness through action, because words alone would not have worked on figures like Leia, Han Solo, and most of the Alliance leadership. He also certainly would have told Luke and Leia about their family, probably would have gone to Tatooine and Naboo, sought out Padme, visited the Lars residence and Ben Kenobi's hut, and maybe gone to Dagobah! Caertainly he would have gotten at least a different color of armor, and might have even met his Grandchildren. But none of this actually happens and never will. It is set in stone that Vader dies on the Death Star 2 and is shortly followed by Anakin Skywalker.

[Sarah-Leia]

Well, it wasn't Anakin's fault that he turned to the dark side, so maybe Luke would convince the New Republic leaders to at least not imprison him...maybe he wouldn't be allowed to own a weapon, oh, yes, and they'd change his armour to be less Vaderish, and he'd meet his grandchildren and tell them to never go to the dark side, look what it can do to you (*cough* Jacen Solo) and everybody would be happy!

[Clone Commander Adam]

Well, it wasn't Anakin's fault that he turned to the dark side...
It wasn't? Could you explain to me how it wasn't?

Honestly, the thought of Vader in anythng short of black scares me. Maybe they could put a Rebel Alliance/New Republic symbol on his cape or something... given that he can get past that whole being tried for mass-murder amongst other crimes, and can also avoid bringng Luke and Leia down into exile with him...

Odds are, bounty hunters and assasins alike would attack him from then on, maybe even Imperial loyalists too.

I don't claim to know a lot about Star Wars beyond the movies or video games, but I can easilly see myself agreeing with most of these ideas.

[nefertiti]

But did we ever think Vader would survive? I think I knew from the start that this “bad” guy was not going to be riding off into the sunset at the end of the saga (after all he was dressed in black). Would it have even occurred to Lucas to have him survive? Wouldn't the story have lost "something?"

[Sarah-Leia]

Clone Commander Adam: well, it isn't COMPLETELY his fault, but from the very second Palpatine knew about how much Anakin loved Padme, he almost had an excuse to turn Anakin to the dark side. He manipulated Anakin into thinking that becoming a Sith was the only way to save Padme from dying, and blinded by his love for Padme, Anakin believed him and I BET that Palpatine used the Force to kind of hypnotise Ani...

[Zedekk]

^i'm not sure about the hypnosis theory, I think Palpatine wanted Anikin's assistance as he (anikin) made the choice himself so that anakin would be committed to the Sith and Palpatine wouldn't have to worry about maybe having to keep on hypnotize Anakin. Because if Palpatine had to keep an eye out for Vader all the time, it would only take a moment for Vader/Anikin to break the spell and then throw Palpatine down a hole... in... the wait that DID happen so, um maybe you're onto something.:holosid: vs:vader: :vader: wins

[nefertiti]

Nah...not buying into that one....hypnosis theory....

[Zedekk]

I was joking btw...:artoo:

[nefertiti]

But of course....maybe new, but not completely lost...:bye:

[Solo]

I do not think it would have been a good idea to let Vader live. He was one of the most dangerous commanders of the Empire, right arm of the Emperor. No matter how much "lighter & wighter" he was, many people and many other species would be going after him,to kill him or freeze him in carbonite.

If he were to survive, it wouldn't have been made public. Probably NR would have questioned him for years in order to learn the secrets of the empire. You know at the end of ROTJ, emperor was dead and Death Star 2 was destroyed. However many generals of empire were still at large with a huge strike force. Once the emperor was dead, many of them tried get the throne, so information that could be taken from Vader was vital.

After all interrogations were over, he would be sent to exile. I believe he would be either sent to Tattoine or Dabobah, where nobody would look after him. He would be consulted when needed, but never let to leave the planet on his own.

[blacksaber]

Well, it wasn't Anakin's fault that he turned to the dark side

Good Lord! Are you serious? I bet there would have been some sort of imprisonment. I like the idea of Vader living in Ben's hovel though, or maybe even Yoda's.

[Darth Massacrus]

As for Why Anakin Skywalker became so power hungry, look at the comic book Visionaries. It has a pictostory in it called Sithisis that shows Darth Sidious casting Sith spells over coruscant that further cloud the force with the dark side and increase Anakins thirst for power and his negative traits. The story truly is a work of art.