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Tovor
05-30-2006, 11:15 PM
Here is something to think about, a "what-if" hypothetical.

In this thread, this hypothetical may apply to either ANH or ROTJ.
What if, somehow, the rebels did not destroy the DS, but captured it instead. Luke led a covert party into the DS and they gained control of the control room. Luke announced that unless the soldiers surrendered, all life support would be turned off (except the control room, of course), or some other means was used to cement rebel control of the infiltrated battle station. How would the rebels then use the DS to win the war, without resorting to the same tactics as the empire in destroying planets?

And...after the war was won, with the imperial fleet captured/surrendered, the emperor and Vader dead, ect...What benefit would the DS be in peace time? Could its laser be modified for drill mining in large moons, planet surfaces, ect...?

Now, since somebody is bound to say something such as: "Well, you ask how could they use it to win the war? I would think that upon capturing it, they would've won the war already. They would have had to have gotten past the Emperor and Vader to pull that off anyway, don't you think?"
...I will answer such a response in advance.

Yes, but what about the rest of the fleet? according to the EU, though Im talking about the movies really, much of the fleet still belonged to renegade imperial commanders and the war continued. But I am not talking about the EU here at all, as I am talking about the movies in hypothetical. So lets say then that Vader and the emperor hadn't been on the DS when it was captured.

At that point you may add the following statement, a mere guess as to what you might say:
"Then that's different. and quite plausible as well, because neither Sith was on it before ROTJ anyway. If the rebels had learned of it a tad earlier than they actually had...."

According to the ROTS novel, something not at all explained in the film, the site on Mustafar was a vastly expensive, secure installation that was impenatrable to Republic forces. Anakin used a security password given to him by Sidious to go right in. Point being, lets say Obi-Wan had been up to the challenge like he had been when infiltrating Grievious' secure hideout or when he and Yoda stormed the Jedi temple, and had led Luke and Han to take control of the DS when they were there. Hell, they were already inside the damn thing. Let's say Vader had been captured. Why not? Both Anakin and Obi-Wan were captured in AOTC by non-Force wielders.

Or for more hypotheticals, lets say Vader hadn't even been on the DS when the Falcon got sucked in by tractor beam. Or lets say that Leia had been successful and had picked Obi-Wan up on Tatooine, and he had brought Luke, and they somehow got aboard the DS from that point. What would the Emperor had done if the rebels had shown up in the Coruscant system with a stolen Death Star, and could not only destroy any Imperial ship that approached, but could narrow down the beam to destroy individual targets on the surface instead of the whole planet? Other than soil his Sith robes, I mean.



Thank you to Gollafett for fueling my topic onward via IM, and giving me things to respond to. :cheers:

RollaFett
05-30-2006, 11:21 PM
And giving me nothing to reply to either. Thanks, schmuck.

Tovor
05-30-2006, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by GollaFett@May 30 2006, 10:21 PM
And giving me nothing to reply to either. Thanks, schmuck.
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Hear you nothing that I say? How would they use it to win the war? What can they use it for in peacetime?

Wise man say, Man with bad attitude need farting on by rabid eyopi.

James William Alexander Atreides
05-30-2006, 11:38 PM
And I'm sure that the Imperials wouldn't build some modified Tie fighter carrying proton missles to fire down the heating shaft thus destroying the DS, killing Luke, Leia, Han, and the entire Rebel Alliance. The Empire could find the weaknesses too, you know?

Tovor
05-31-2006, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by James William Alexander Atreides@May 30 2006, 10:38 PM
And I'm sure that the Imperials wouldn't build some modified Tie fighter carrying proton missles to fire down the heating shaft thus destroying the DS, killing Luke, Leia, Han, and the entire Rebel Alliance. The Empire could find the weaknesses too, you know?
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Sure, they did have the original building plans after all.

James William Alexander Atreides
05-31-2006, 12:21 AM
So what's the point of capturing it?

MagicianCamille
06-02-2006, 09:10 PM
The power the Death Star represents would tear the New Republic part, many people would want to use it to force planets to join them, and to eliminate Imperial worlds, while others would want to destroy it immediately.

Darth Zalus
06-03-2006, 04:09 AM
The New Republic Cantina

Tovor
06-03-2006, 04:17 AM
Originally posted by MagicianCamille@Jun 2 2006, 08:10 PM
The power the Death Star represents would tear the New Republic part, many people would want to use it to force planets to join them, and to eliminate Imperial worlds, while others would want to destroy it immediately.
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What about if it had happened in ANH?

Tovor
06-03-2006, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by DarthDooku@Jun 3 2006, 03:09 AM
The New Republic Cantina
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Meaning? Relevance please. :scratchchin:

Darth Zalus
06-03-2006, 01:47 PM
you said "what would they do with it?
I answered with a cheessy joke
tovor:ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

Erick Landrider
06-03-2006, 08:14 PM
An interesting idea, but the first question that comes to mind for me is how would the Rebellion man the thing? Granted, I don't know how many people it takes to effectively run a Death Star, but the Rebels would have been hard pressed to find enough people to keep it running.

Then there would surely be the debate between the Rebels about the ethical side of having a weapon such as that.

(Great topic by the way, Tovor)

OB1
06-06-2006, 07:28 AM
Good,Good!Where did you get that? :bye:

Tovor
06-07-2006, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by Darth Zalus+Jun 3 2006, 12:47 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Zalus @ Jun 3 2006, 12:47 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>you said "what would they do with it?
I answered with a cheessy joke
tovor:ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh, I get that it was a cheesy joke. Now I got it.

Originally posted by Erick Landrider@Jun 3 2006, 07:14 PM
An interesting idea, but the first question that comes to mind for me is how would the Rebellion man the thing? Granted, I don't know how many people it takes to effectively run a Death Star, but the Rebels would have been hard pressed to find enough people to keep it running.

Then there would surely be the debate between the Rebels about the ethical side of having a weapon such as that.

(Great topic by the way, Tovor)
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Indeed, although there were quite a lot of Mon Calamari manning their warships, and the rebels did have a lot of droids.

And the ethical debate, yes, the rebels surely could not/would not blow up the very planets they were trying to liberate from the empire, but they could destroy imperial warships easily enough. But what about in peacetime? I wonder if they could have used the firepower, scaled down, to drill and mine moons and planets from space, and/or use the gun for destroying asteroids and comets that threatened planets in their tragectories.

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Good,Good!Where did you get that? :bye:
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From my mind. :)

clarkson88
06-09-2006, 05:41 PM
As afore mentioned, I think that the rebels would destroy it. It is too risky to keep such a thing operational. Sure it would be handy for taking care of projectiles that threatened planets etc, but all it would take is for the Empire to recapture it or corrupt offcials in the Alliance to use it for their own means.
That or they would have stripped it for parts and used them for aiding Rebel cruisers or the advanced power generators of the DS for good use such as planetary shielding or power to cities on large planets.

Mothman
06-09-2006, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Erick Landrider@Jun 3 2006, 05:14 PM
An interesting idea, but the first question that comes to mind for me is how would the Rebellion man the thing? Granted, I don't know how many people it takes to effectively run a Death Star, but the Rebels would have been hard pressed to find enough people to keep it running.Quoted post


Not that you can learn an awful lot from Star Trek, but the Enterprise was designed to be operated with a crew of 430. However, in STIII Scotty was able to rig things so that about 5 or 6 guys could steal it out of space dock. So, I'm sure that the Rebellion could figure out how to run the DS with just a few rebel troops.

:bye:

James William Alexander Atreides
06-16-2006, 02:04 AM
Yes, besides the great amount of troops and ships, the DS seemed to be run by just a few technicians and experts.

Solo
11-22-2006, 09:19 AM
I do not think rebels would have had much difficulty manning the death star. I mean if they could take control of the death star, this victory would have caused great sympathy towards the Rebellion and many people would join them. In case they can provide the skeleton crew, the brain crew I mean, rest would have been quite easy.

Using the death star would have been the biggest problem. While it was just a simple order for the emperor to destroy a planet, it would have required a whole committee's decision to make even a simple manuever when it will be under rebellion control.

Therefore rebellion would have probably destroyed the death star or strip it for usefull parts. Death star was a way too big weapon to be used in good hands.