Unaltered DVDs of the OT released September 2006 [Archive]

Leiafan

05-04-2006, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by Master Magnus@May 4 2006, 02:08 AM
The original versions will be the 1993 remastered editions (that would the LD version, wouldn't it?):

USA Today: 'Star Wars' goes back to basics (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2006-05-03-star-wars_x.htm)
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I dislike that they offered this quote: "People want the option of having the movies that they remember and people are opposed to George Lucas' revisionist tendencies," says [IGN.com's] Chris Carle.

I can't stand the way the media portrays the anti-SE people as if they speak for all of SW fandom, just as the media portrays the PT-haters as if they speak for all of SW fandom.

Master Magnus

05-04-2006, 04:59 AM

^I agree. I grew up with the original versions, but IMO the SE (and the clean-up of mattelines in the DVD version) was necessary.

Leiafan

05-04-2006, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by Master Magnus@May 4 2006, 02:59 AM
^I agree. I grew up with the original versions, but IMO the SE (and the clean-up of mattelines in the DVD version) was necessary.
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Agreed. :)

yoda19873

05-04-2006, 06:02 AM

Does this mean no 30th anniversary release??? with changes?

Master Magnus

05-04-2006, 06:06 AM

^McCallum has, as late as the yesterday, hinted at a 3D version:

McCallum added that they are moving forward with 3D versions of the "Star Wars" movies. "It's just a question of how many theaters will be out there. Hopefully, by the end of this year there will be about 1,500 [3-D] theaters. We need about two or three thousand before it makes it, you know, viable for any of us to go out in 3-D." He expects that will happen sometime in 2007.
Source: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=14365

Jack Spencer Jr

05-04-2006, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by Master Magnus@May 4 2006, 03:08 AM
The original versions will be the 1993 remastered editions (that would the LD version, wouldn't it?):

USA Today: 'Star Wars' goes back to basics (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2006-05-03-star-wars_x.htm)
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That sounds likely. They'll probably do a quick 'n' dirty transfer from the LD with minor cleanup, if at all. I'll definately have to get a copy, though. If nothing else, to vote with my dollars for the version I want.

Bandersnatch

05-04-2006, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by Leiafan@May 4 2006, 01:04 AM
I'm sorry to see the people who called Lucas horrible names for years on end get what they want...
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Don't worry, they will still continue to call him horrible names.

By the way, who is really suprised by this news? I'm not. I think it's cool, but I figured this year or next we'd get this kind of nifty DVD treatment, what with 2007 being the 30th anniversary.

:thumbs-up:

empire21

05-04-2006, 08:09 AM

I just noticed that it's going to be presented in 2.0 surround sound, i'll still get them, but if thats true, I wont be using surround sound on these versions :(

Darth Vegas

05-04-2006, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by Master Magnus@May 4 2006, 12:08 AM
The original versions will be the 1993 remastered editions (that would the LD version, wouldn't it?):

USA Today: 'Star Wars' goes back to basics (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2006-05-03-star-wars_x.htm)
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The article you're pointing to does not actually say that, and it's really doubtful that they would do that anyway, they'll at least do some cleaning up to the print. Also take note that the official site specifically says they will be releasing the films as they first appeared in theaters. The version of Star Wars we've been watching for the last 27 years or so isn't the same as the 77' theatrical version, the crawl was changed before the release of The Empire Strikes Back to include "Episode IV: A New Hope".

All that said, I really don't care that much about this. I'm pretty much on the fence about the whole thing. I may or may not purchase this, honestly there's just nothing really exciting about this for me anymore.

And this (http://starwars.com/collecting/shop/shopnews/news20060503.html) just sickens me. It's all about the money...

thepepgal

05-04-2006, 08:19 AM

It's great to finally see them released the unaltered OT. It will nice to see Han shoot first, Seb Shaw right at the end of ROTJ as well as hear the Ewok song and the other song they altered again.

Remember 2.0 surround was probably the only thing available originally. There would be an original master copy of the film untouched and when GL made changes they would have had to have the original so they could play with them.

There will probably still be a 6 film box set for the 30th which may include the deleted scenes from the OT and the original cast calls.

Then GL will have stop the pirates nearly copletely. Only the SW holiday special left. ;)

empire21

05-04-2006, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by thepepgal@May 4 2006, 06:19 AM
Remember 2.0 surround was probably the only thing available originally. There would be an original master copy of the film untouched and when GL made changes they would have had to have the original so they could play with them.
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True, but I love to have my surround sound loud to the point that my ears hurt, other than that this release will be cool, i've never seen the first Star Wars as just "Star Wars" so it will be neat to see that in the opening crawl :)

thepepgal

05-04-2006, 08:26 AM

And this just sickens me. It's all about the money...

It's taken you until now to work that out. ;)

It is always about the money. I currently own the OT films in 5 different releases. I know I'm already heading out to buy it so I don't wear out my videos anymore. It's why I predict another release of them next year to include the stuff like deleted scenes we haven't scene yet and to have them in a 6 film box set.

Master Magnus

05-04-2006, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Darth Vegas+May 4 2006, 01:11 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Vegas @ May 4 2006, 01:11 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Master Magnus@May 4 2006, 12:08 AM
The original versions will be the 1993 remastered editions (that would the LD version, wouldn't it?):

USA Today: 'Star Wars' goes back to basics (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2006-05-03-star-wars_x.htm)
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The article you're pointing to does not actually say that, and it's really doubtful that they would do that anyway, they'll at least do some cleaning up to the print. Also take note that the official site specifically says they will be releasing the films as they first appeared in theaters. The version of Star Wars we've been watching for the last 27 years or so isn't the same as the 77' theatrical version, the crawl was changed before the release of The Empire Strikes Back to include "Episode IV: A New Hope".

All that said, I really don't care that much about this. I'm pretty much on the fence about the whole thing. I may or may not purchase this, honestly there's just nothing really exciting about this for me anymore.

And this (http://starwars.com/collecting/shop/shopnews/news20060503.html) just sickens me. It's all about the money...
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DarthVegas, the article explictly says that:
The original films' video quality will not match up to that of the restored versions. "It is state of the art, as of 1993, and that's not as good as state of the art 2006,"
The "Definitive Collection" was released on LD in 1993 and it's pretty clear that it's this transfer that'll be released on DVD. The original '77 release would require an enourmous clean-up effort and I'm pretty sure they didn't opt for that.

Enfilade

05-04-2006, 09:02 AM

I just think it's nice to give people the choice about what version they want to watch.

I'll probably be getting my friend's videos after he buys the DVDs. :)

thepepgal

05-04-2006, 09:03 AM

The "Definitive Collection" was released on LD in 1993 and it's pretty clear that it's this transfer that'll be released on DVD. The original '77 release would require an enourmous clean-up effort and I'm pretty sure they didn't opt for that.

They actually cleaned it in about 1994 so they could do the 1997 theatrical release with it's changes. So that isn't a problem.

Darth Vegas

05-04-2006, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by Master Magnus@May 4 2006, 04:34 AM
The original '77 release would require an enourmous clean-up effort and I'm pretty sure they didn't opt for that.
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Whether or not that is indeed the case, they have better prints than the ones used for the 93' video release. The original films went through a rather extensive restoration process for the Special Edition releases. I'm sure they still have those cleaned up prints sitting around somewhere. (edit: thepepgal beat me to it)

At any rate, they probably won't be using those either.

Lucas is a pioneer in film restoration technologies. He's put alot of effort into restoring alot of classic films, so I think we can count on him putting the same effort into restoring these films. And most of the work is for sure finished by this point.

Master Magnus

05-04-2006, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by Enfilade@May 4 2006, 02:02 PM
I just think it's nice to give people the choice about what version they want to watch.

I'll probably be getting my friend's videos after he buys the DVDs. :)
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It's just a pity that they're sold in a bundle with the DVD versions (if they haven't fixed those of course).

As for the prints, IIRC, the prints used for the special editions were destroyed/couldn't be used again. I'll have to look this up.

Darth Vegas

05-04-2006, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by thepepgal@May 4 2006, 04:26 AM
And this just sickens me. It's all about the money...

It's taken you until now to work that out. ;)
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Of course not. Just saying...with those T-shirts they aren't even attempting to hide that fact.

They're trying to make bank on the fact that (in the eyes of many Star Wars fans) they f*cked up.

Darth Vegas

05-04-2006, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by Master Magnus@May 4 2006, 05:43 AM
As for the prints, IIRC, the prints used for the special editions were destroyed/couldn't be used again. I'll have to look this up.
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Oh sure...you go do that. :rolleyes:

Master Magnus

05-04-2006, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Darth Vegas+May 4 2006, 03:09 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Vegas @ May 4 2006, 03:09 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Master Magnus@May 4 2006, 05:43 AM
As for the prints, IIRC, the prints used for the special editions were destroyed/couldn't be used again. I'll have to look this up.
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Oh sure...you go do that. :rolleyes:
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And what's that supposed to mean? As I said, as I remember it, it was stated somewhere that the original prints that were cleaned-up were used to create the SE. It was also said that the original prints didn't exist anymore. I haven't checked that up yet, but if I can (or can't as I in such case misremembered this), I'll get back. Otherwise, we'll just wait and see what version it is.

trebor gahkor

05-04-2006, 11:09 AM

Oh, by the way, the movie will only be in Dolby 2.0 Surround Sound. Which, by the way, is the best sound you could get out of a laserdisc player. So, why should I buy this version over my laserdiscs again? I don't think they'll look or sound any better, but it will help to quiet those who have gotten on Lucas' case for not releasing the originals. Congratulations orginal trilogy fans, you all got your wish.

qui-riv-brid

05-04-2006, 12:34 PM

It'll be nice to have them. I prefer the 2004 versions overall as they fit in better with the six films set but this will be nice.

I hope it has the complete Luke and Biggs scene at the end in the Rebel base instead it being cut out as it was in the video releases. Though I expect it will have the Episode IV tag and not just be blank there or will it be?

It'd be nice to have the early scenes as well but that's probably for the HD or Blu-Ray or whatever format it comes out in.

Bandersnatch

05-04-2006, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by qui-riv-brid@May 4 2006, 10:34 AM
I hope it has the complete Luke and Biggs scene at the end in the Rebel base instead it being cut out as it was in the video releases.
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That won't be re-lengthened because it was cut in the middle of the scene (when you briefly see someone cross in front of the camera) in order to get rid of a reference to the Red leader saying he knew Luke's daddy.

qui-riv-brid

05-04-2006, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by Bandersnatch@May 4 2006, 10:48 AM

That won't be re-lengthened because it was cut in the middle of the scene (when you briefly see someone cross in front of the camera) in order to get rid of a reference to the Red leader saying he knew Luke's daddy.
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For the SE's yes but what about the original's?

fuser

05-04-2006, 12:52 PM

For starters the DVD will be, visually at least, a huge improvement over the laserdiscs - I have both. The resolution is just higher, and of course all the cleaning work that has gone on results in a pristine picture. The audio will be about the same I'd have thought.

I would imagine the Biggs scene at the end will be cut as per theatrical release - the same goes for Jabba in Ep4. And pleeeeeeeeaaase let them remove Temuera Morrisons voice from ESB: I cringe every time I hear him being Boba Fett...

Anguirus111

05-04-2006, 12:55 PM

Yeah but now that the prequels are finally out, GL might turn it back.

The scene with Red Leader that is. He might lengthen it but I don't see Temuera Morrison's voice going anywhere.

Bandersnatch

05-04-2006, 01:03 PM

If he did lengthen it, then there would be some sort of inconsistancy about Luke's father.

I've never understood why people have a problem with Boba sounding like Jango.

I mean, why not?

:giveup:

JediJaina

05-04-2006, 01:21 PM

I hope this won't be a disappointment to everyone that buys them.

I won't be getting them anytime soon due to money issue, but I'm glad it's now an option.

Talcy

05-04-2006, 01:25 PM

The Luke & Biggs scene won't be in it. Simple as. Not because I have any secret info, but because these are the original versions, as they were seen way back when. No lengthening, no bits we haven't seen in any other versions. The originals. No Biggs, Camie, Tank or Fixer. No Jabba. No "Episode IV: A New Hope". Just good old Star Wars, as we remembered it when we got all excited for that very first time as nippers. And there will be wolfmen!

I'm seriously glad about this, if you couldn't tell :). I was kind of frightened to watch my old VHS tapes for fear of them wearing out (as my original release Jedi did, in no time at all) but now I'm not sure if I'll ever watch the SE's again, or at least for a very long time. Someone mentioned these likely being the remastered versions that came out befoere the SE's and I reckon this is most likely the case, so they don't have to do a new sound mix, explaining the Dolby 2.0 mix.

Star Wars exists in two forms for me. The Star Wars Trilogy and the Star Wars Saga (1-6 SE's). As much as I like the whole saga, I'm a trilogy boy and this can't be anything other than good.

Now, let all of the inevitable fanboy gibbering about "Lucas is ripping us off again!", "I have to buy these again?", "This was the plan all along!" begin. Who cares. What a bunch of unpleasable gits we SW fans can be sometimes. If folks resent having to buy it "again" and fork their cash over, they've no grounds for complaint at all. No one has to buy these. We asked for it and we got it.

:cheers:

Darth Octavious

05-04-2006, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by Horse_Head@May 4 2006, 12:10 AM
About friggin' time...

And.. Better late than never! :p
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Good, both verisons in one package. Can all of us shut up, stop talking, and FINALLY be happy. :happydance:

Darth Octavious

05-04-2006, 01:58 PM

So, when can I pre-order, its not like I am in a rush, seen the movies before.

T-bone

05-04-2006, 02:00 PM

Take note, also, that this text is now missing from the SW.com report:

"See the title crawl to Star Wars before it was known as Episode IV; see the pioneering, if dated, motion control model work on the attack on the Death Star; groove to Lapti Nek or the Ewok Celebration song like you did when you were a kid; and yes, see Han Solo shoot first."

The White Tuxedo

05-04-2006, 02:03 PM

This news is great, but tinged with a little dissapointment. These films simply need to be on DVD. I don't care what version you prefer. I've always maintained that I am all for tweeks and changes, so long as a)they are done tastefully (which some were not), and b)the originals be released as well. I'm sure someone will have a problem that it's not really the original version of Star Wars because it has "A New Hope" in it. That said, I am glad that the versions which were commercially available in the 80's and which millions of people loved and cherished, will be released in some official form.

It's also important from a history standpoint in terms of cinema. And also because of the original effects work that many people poured their blood, sweat, and tears into.

But I don't like that these are only "bonus material". I'll put up with double dipping from Lucasfilm if it's the original versions in their own releases. They deserve their own set, IMHO. They are not extras. They do still exist, no matter what Lucas says. Ugh, I don't want to rant about how much Lucas' ego annoys me. The films that made his Empire. And they "don't exist". :banghead: Ungrateful.

Anyway. I'm suspicious of the techincal quality of these. They should be totally remastered and restored with 5.1. Not 2.0 and (hopefully not) ripped from some laserdisc. But that doesn't equal Lucas coming his senses. That equals him patronizing his fans.

I'll stop now. :blush:

Darth Octavious

05-04-2006, 02:24 PM

Too bad they did not release this info on the 4th. May the 4th Be With You!

Darth Badly

05-04-2006, 02:37 PM

HOORAY!

:cheers:

trebor gahkor

05-04-2006, 03:11 PM

I am nostalgic as far as understanding about wanting to preserve the originals. I'm still up in the air about whether I would ever buy this set. I'm just afraid that the "trilogy" guys will use this as an excuse to start bashing on the prequel trilogy all over again. What about those of us who like all the Star Wars movies and ALL it's forms? I always feel like Smeagol from LOTR: "My precious!"

Leiafan

05-04-2006, 03:31 PM

And this just sickens me. It's all about the money...

So stop spending your money on it.

I am fed up with people screaming about Lucas's "greed" while at the same time, continuing to pay for what he puts out.

and yes, see Han Solo shoot first

The most overblown controversy in SW history.

SuperPalpy

05-04-2006, 04:32 PM

I... don't... believe... it...

Sluggo

05-04-2006, 05:58 PM

I'm happy to buy 'em. It does bother me that all these riots are being raged by folks that aren't happy enough with LFL listening to them and complaining that the releases aren't what they should be. I say go have your aneurism, fanboy. Sometimes Star Wars fans just suck.

It's like they said in Hardware Wars: "Take it easy kid, it's only a movie".

stormtrooper9

05-04-2006, 06:10 PM

I am glade they are doing it since I could get the chance to see the versions I never have seen, but I wish it was the orgional and '98 remakes since the '04 are allready out on DVD and quite honistly I kinda of like the '98 version a little bit more then then '04s :erm:

Darth Octavious

05-04-2006, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by trebor gahkor
...Congratulations orginal trilogy fans, you all got your wish.
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No more whining, no more crying, and hopefully no more who shot first. And lets be happy that you got your wish. Don't start critizing how it sounds and looks.

The White Tuxedo

05-04-2006, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Darth Octavious+May 4 2006, 12:53 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Octavious @ May 4 2006, 12:53 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-trebor gahkor
...Congratulations orginal trilogy fans, you all got your wish.
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No more whining, no more crying, and hopefully no more who shot first. And lets be happy that you got your wish. Don't start critizing how it sounds and looks.
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Lucas waits until now, and may give us less than he can quality wise. Lucasfilm has always been about top video/audio quality. Also, these films look like they'll be treated as "extra features" slapped on to another release of the 2004 versions.

I simply feel that they deserve much better. They are as much Star Wars films (if not more) than the new versions.

Darth Octavious

05-04-2006, 07:12 PM

Remember, Lucas said that its his vision/story (2004 verison), they way he sees the story, the technology wasn't there in the 70's and 80's. The DVD's that are coming out is another reason to make money on those who can't leave the past.

Jack Spencer Jr

05-04-2006, 07:21 PM

I do wish the original trilogy haters would quit tinkling in our cheerios.

Darth Octavious

05-04-2006, 07:25 PM

Thank you, Well put! :thumbs-up:

The White Tuxedo

05-04-2006, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Darth Octavious@May 4 2006, 01:12 PM
Remember, Lucas said that its his vision/story (2004 verison), they way he sees the story, the technology wasn't there in the 70's and 80's.* The DVD's that are coming out is another reason to make money on those who can't leave the past.
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I'm calming down now. :D I don't want to get into any kind of fight over Lucas' vision or anything. All the points have been said a thousand times.

But, I'll give my opinion. Lucas' vision. Fine. He can do whatever he wants. I thought he said the 97 Editions were his "real vision" for the films. :D

But wanting the best for the originals isn't about an inability to leave the past. I think the public has every right to get these films released in a first rate package. We spent millions to see them, and buy the toys, etc. That money made the EU/toys possible. Which made the Prequels possible. They are more than extra features for the newest "final vision". I'll admit that I don't know all the facts, but it sounds like it's just another repackaging of the 04 films, with the originals thrown on without being spruced up esspecially for this release. That's not like Lucas. I mean, he's gonna have another remaster of TPM I am sure so as to have it be up to the standards of the other films on DVD. Why not these?

Point is. These should be treated as seperate films. And as their own seperate films, they should be treated with as much dignity and respect as any other Star Wars movie. :)

Also, film is collaborative. It's not all about Lucas. Many people worked on these. Their original work should be respected.

Darth Octavious

05-04-2006, 07:37 PM

* A Thought Before Dinner Time *
As a fan of the Saga, if and when Lucas makes a change or two to TPM (Yoda), I am not going cry like some OT fans when changes were made to ANH, ESB, ROTJ.

Jack Spencer Jr

05-04-2006, 07:43 PM

What if he were to scrap them in their entirety and reassumble the cast and reshoot them as altogether different movies?

The White Tuxedo

05-04-2006, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Darth Octavious@May 4 2006, 01:37 PM
* A Thought Before Dinner Time *
As a fan of the Saga, if and when Lucas makes a change or two to TPM (Yoda), I am not going cry like some OT fans when changes were made to ANH, ESB, ROTJ.
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Nor will I. Double standard? Meh. That film is already on DVD. Plus, the Prequels are not as sacred to me. Plus, they are on DVD. Lucas packaged them all very, very well. They weren't "special features". I want to put a smilie so as not to look like I'm writing in crazed anger, as I am not.

I think it's reasonable to expect from Lucasfilm a top product in home video.

Jack Spencer Jr

05-04-2006, 08:05 PM

While it might be reasonable, I think it's unlikely. Personally, I'm expecting a more-or-less direct tranfer of the laser disk which had lovely things like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/JackSpencerJr/untitled1.jpg

Personally, for me that is neither here nor there. I am just glad they're going to be available from Lucasfilm in spite of the whole never-again-this-is-how-I really-want-it, stuff.

Grand Admiral Thrawn

05-04-2006, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by T'bone@May 4 2006, 12:00 PM
Take note, also, that this text is now missing from the SW.com report:

"See the title crawl to Star Wars before it was known as Episode IV; see the pioneering, if dated, motion control model work on the attack on the Death Star; groove to Lapti Nek or the Ewok Celebration song like you did when you were a kid; and yes, see Han Solo shoot first."
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Uh-oh... that's not a good sign. I noticed that change today, too. I don't mind if they decide to add in the "Episode IV" title, but above all else KEEP THE "LAPTI NEK" AND ORIGINAL EWOK CELEBRATION SONG!!! Those two would be my main choices.

But still, why in the world was the paragraph removed? Hopefully it's not as bad as it seems.

Darth Darthy

05-04-2006, 10:22 PM

I was talking to someone who's been working at the ranch. Apparantly, this has been on the cards for a while. And don't expect anything grand either - he says little or no effort is being put into the project. He says the quality of the remaster isn't up to that of the 2004 DVD release.

So it's just a cash in. I'll stick with this. (http://www.starwarslegacy.com/)

DonSwoosh

05-04-2006, 10:35 PM

I didn't expect it would be and that's cool with me.

With this out of the way, I want Lucas to get radical and start doing serious tweaking so we can get his Definitive Versions of the Films.

I mean, I want radical, as in CG Vader vs. Obi-Wan in Episode IV. Hell, possibly CG Yoda in Episode V and Episode VI.

Jack Spencer Jr

05-04-2006, 10:43 PM

You know, with all the money he's shoveled into digitally tweaking the originals, he could have completely remade the movies by now.

DonSwoosh

05-04-2006, 10:46 PM

True. But, what the hell, let him loose. We're getting the Unaltereds. Let's see what he really wants to do with the films.

Jack Spencer Jr

05-04-2006, 11:33 PM

But what more could he want to do with them, really? I could see polishing up the effects every couple years as new effects technology comes out, and to be honest, if he'd only polished the effects I would have had no problem with the special edition, but how much more can he add back in? Or make up all totally new and put in there?

Leiafan

05-05-2006, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by DonSwoosh@May 4 2006, 08:35 PM
I didn't expect it would be and that's cool with me.

With this out of the way, I want Lucas to get radical and start doing serious tweaking so we can get his Definitive Versions of the Films.

I mean, I want radical, as in CG Vader vs. Obi-Wan in Episode IV.
Heh. I don't want CG Vader vs. Obi Wan, but nonetheless...after The Duel in ROTS, the face-off between Obi Wan and Vader in Ep IV does seem a bit anticlimactic, doesn't it? Dave Prowse sucked at dueling, but unfortunately, while making ANH Lucas couldn't afford to bring in someone else to do the dueling scenes.

It wasn't until ESB and ROTJ that he could afford to do so. Bob Anderson replaced Prowse during the dueling scenes, a factoid that Prowse neglected to call attention to. In fact, he was happy to let everyone think that he did the dueling, and everyone did until Mark Hamill revealed otherwise.

Prowse again neglected to call attention to the Anderson matter when spewing his petulant demand that Lucas allow him to don Vader's suit in Episode III (although Prowse hates the prequels and trashes them to whoever will listen). He actually had the nerve to say that Hayden Christensen is only 5'9" (he's 6'1") and disingenuously wondered, "How will they be able to pull it off? More FX, I guess." Prowse knew full flipping well that the 6'1" Bob Anderson had already played Vader in ESB and ROTJ during the dueling scenes, and the interviewers could've found that out with minimal research -- but didn't care to, since Prowse was giving them the anti-PT, anti-Lucas crap they wanted.

T-bone

05-05-2006, 12:31 AM

I know Dave quite well and you have some of your facts wrong but let's not dwell on this please. Check that attitude.

DonSwoosh

05-05-2006, 12:54 AM

If anything, when he does more tweaking, it'll be of the cosmetic type. He won't alter the stories one bit. It'll just be digital enhancements. And that's all he really needs to do if he wants to.

bluemilk

05-05-2006, 04:56 AM

maybe the release of the unaltered versions will help clear up a question that's been nagging at me for decades. I may be crazy or it may be because I was 7 years old when I star RotJ but I could've sworn there was a scene missing from the vhs tapes or dvds that I remember seeing at the theatre. So for that alone would be worth the price of the dvds not to mention the memories. :)

Darth Darthy

05-05-2006, 05:11 AM

Oh, Christ - it's not the Rancor/Luke-swinging-on-the-grate thing is it?

bluemilk

05-05-2006, 05:13 AM

no. It was a scene that happened on Endor right before the battle. We're talkin' 23 years ago for me so that's a really vague answer :blush: sorry I can't be more specific.

as for the Luke and Rancor thing, I don't even know what you're talking about!

James

05-05-2006, 05:33 AM

This will be soooooooo cool!!!!!

Darth Octavious

05-05-2006, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Jack Spencer Jr@May 4 2006, 06:43 PM
What if he were to scrap them in their entirety and reassumble the cast and reshoot them as altogether different movies?
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One, that will never happen and two, if Lucas was on some medication and did it, alot of SW fans, maybe all will hate him.

bothanspy

05-05-2006, 04:19 PM

What bothers me is that Lucasfilm had to clean up the negatives before doing the Special Editions, so he can't use THOSE for the DVD transfer?

But, I'm not going to complain, this big news, and Lucas obviously listens to people.

Somebody must've received a huge ass-chewing for putting the original paragraph on the announcement about "see the Star Wars opening crawl before Episode IV was added.." etc. I instantly thought that we weren't getting the ORIGINAL original versions.

I don't really mind all the changes to the OT, I just want a color corrected set myself.

The White Tuxedo

05-05-2006, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by bothanspy@May 5 2006, 10:19 AM
What bothers me is that Lucasfilm had to clean up the negatives before doing the Special Editions, so he can't use THOSE for the DVD transfer?

But, I'm not going to complain, this big news, and Lucas obviously listens to people.

Somebody must've received a huge ass-chewing for putting the original paragraph on the announcement about "see the Star Wars opening crawl before Episode IV was added.." etc. I instantly thought that we weren't getting the ORIGINAL original versions.

I don't really mind all the changes to the OT, I just want a color corrected set myself.
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Precisely. They were cleaned up for the Special Edition in 1997. Take those, put some time and money into a nice, crisp transfer to DVD.... Viola. Nice DVDs of the original films. Not much to ask for, I think. But this does sound like what Darth Darthly said, "a cash in". I'll be happy to have them on DVD, but it's a real shame they didn't treat them with as much respect as the other releases. I'm also surprised to see that not many people feel the way I do. :D

JSunday

05-05-2006, 05:59 PM

I'll buy them because I'm a completist.... :) but really, this two-disk set should've and could have (more importantly) been what appeared in '04...with both versions in one. I don't mind owning both, but now I've got to get the SEs a second time to get the theatrical when all of this could've been a great one-time package then.

I know this is purely a marketing and $$$ thing....and utltimately I'll pay up without too much moaning. But this is one of LFL's lower blows.

Darth Octavious

05-05-2006, 06:24 PM

I know I ask this before, how much and any pre-orders?

Anguirus111

05-05-2006, 06:44 PM

Bandersnatch

05-05-2006, 09:34 PM

starwars.com - The Special Edition

Read it again... for the first time.

:blush:

Jack Spencer Jr

05-05-2006, 09:44 PM

I wonder if this means they found a halway decent print of the original, no "episode IV" film or if they're just going to digitally remove it?

T-bone

05-05-2006, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by Anguirus111+May 5 2006, 05:44 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Anguirus111 @ May 5 2006, 05:44 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-T'bone@May 4 2006, 12:00 PM
Take note, also, that this text is now missing from the SW.com report:

"See the title crawl to Star Wars before it was known as Episode IV; see the pioneering, if dated, motion control model work on the attack on the Death Star; groove to Lapti Nek or the Ewok Celebration song like you did when you were a kid; and yes, see Han Solo shoot first."
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And now the article has that part put back into it. Weird huh?
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Interesting!

Grand Admiral Thrawn

05-06-2006, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by T'bone+May 5 2006, 09:11 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(T'bone @ May 5 2006, 09:11 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Anguirus111@May 5 2006, 05:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-T'bone@May 4 2006, 12:00 PM
Take note, also, that this text is now missing from the SW.com report:

"See the title crawl to Star Wars before it was known as Episode IV; see the pioneering, if dated, motion control model work on the attack on the Death Star; groove to Lapti Nek or the Ewok Celebration song like you did when you were a kid; and yes, see Han Solo shoot first."
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And now the article has that part put back into it. Weird huh?
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Interesting!
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[/b][/quote]

And now it's gone again...

Just kidding :yoda:

James

05-06-2006, 04:44 AM

^lol!!

Originally posted by Darth Octavious+May 6 2006, 12:37 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Octavious @ May 6 2006, 12:37 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Jack Spencer Jr@May 4 2006, 06:43 PM
What if he were to scrap them in their entirety and reassumble the cast and reshoot them as altogether different movies?
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One, that will never happen and two, if Lucas was on some medication and did it, alot of SW fans, maybe all will hate him.
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[/b][/quote]

That would be the stupidest thing ever ... the OT may not have the crispness and visual perfection of the PT but Ive had years of enjoyment out of them.

Sure I'd like to see the lightsaber colours perfected and what-not, but these problems won't stop me loving the original SW.

Bandersnatch

05-06-2006, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by Jack Spencer Jr@May 5 2006, 07:44 PM
I wonder if this means they found a halway decent print of the original, no "episode IV" film or if they're just going to digitally remove it?
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The "Empire of Dreams" documentary shows that there is a good print out there somewhere of the pre-ANH opening crawl. But if there wasn't, they would have to do more than just digitally erase it. They'd probably have to reprint the whole opening to keep it in time with the music. I've often wondered if the opening title on ANH flys off into the distance so fast, compared to the other movies, because EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE was added in the late 70's/early 80's. :giveup:

redsabre

05-06-2006, 11:20 AM

Luke: I saw . . . I saw my landspeeder parked in front of Wal-Mart.
Yoda: It is the future you see. Concentration you must have, hmm?

Master Magnus

05-06-2006, 11:45 AM

^That's a pretty cool T-shirt! That's a change I'm not too fond of.

Sluggo

05-06-2006, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Bandersnatch@May 6 2006, 05:47 AM
The "Empire of Dreams" documentary shows that there is a good print out there somewhere of the pre-ANH opening crawl. But if there wasn't, they would have to do more than just digitally erase it. They'd probably have to reprint the whole opening to keep it in time with the music. I've often wondered if the opening title on ANH flys off into the distance so fast, compared to the other movies, because EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE was added in the late 70's/early 80's. :giveup:
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Actually, the words in the crawl were re-formatted and the paragraphs were widened so the subtitle ANH sould fit so they wouldn't have to adjust the timing of the music. It seems the speed up of the STAR WARS logo was to keep it from seperated from the crawl itself. On the pre-ANH crawl, the text starts crawling up well before the logo fades out.

That said, I'd love to see this version of the film, but I'd seriously doubt LFL would do it. When they say,"That means you'll be able to enjoy Star Wars as it first appeared in 1977, Empire in 1980, and Jedi in 1983.", I'm sure they mean 1981, 1980 and 1983.

Darth Octavious

05-06-2006, 03:14 PM

Another thing about the unaltered DVD for you OT fans, your Sebastian Shaw.

Jack Spencer Jr

05-06-2006, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Master Magnus@May 6 2006, 10:45 AM
^That's a pretty cool T-shirt! That's a change I'm not too fond of.
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I don't think anyone actually likes how that scene looks. All the arguements about the changes to Solo's character or it makes Solo look too ruthless are all just smoke when one actualy looks at the altered scene, because it is just a barely animated still.

Somehow, I think that if this scene looked a lot better, I doubt there would be as much problem with this particular change. If I were a little more video editing savy, I would be tempted to make a "new" Greedo shoots first version of the scene that actually looks good just for comparason's sake.

Master Magnus

05-06-2006, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Jack Spencer Jr+May 6 2006, 09:03 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jack Spencer Jr @ May 6 2006, 09:03 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Master Magnus@May 6 2006, 10:45 AM
^That's a pretty cool T-shirt! That's a change I'm not too fond of.
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I don't think anyone actually likes how that scene looks. All the arguements about the changes to Solo's character or it makes Solo look too ruthless are all just smoke when one actualy looks at the altered scene, because it is just a barely animated still.

Somehow, I think that if this scene looked a lot better, I doubt there would be as much problem with this particular change. If I were a little more video editing savy, I would be tempted to make a "new" Greedo shoots first version of the scene that actually looks good just for comparason's sake.
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[/b][/quote]
Well, IMO this change was unnecessary. It's clear that Han shot in self-defence as he knew Greedo's intentions (which Greedo didn't try to hide). Instead, we now have a scene in which Han's torso is moved in a way that it really can't be moved, the heroes journey for Han Solo is toned down and a bounty hunter that misses a shot from a distance less than two meters. However, I can live with the edited scene (and I prefer the new versions with the exceptions of the reversed sound mix in ANH, the color correction errors and Jedi Rocks in ROTJ).

Darth Darthy

05-06-2006, 06:00 PM

...and a bounty hunter that misses a shot from a distance less than two meters. Quoted for truth and because it made me laugh. And because it is, after all these years, still an absurd change.

Jack Spencer Jr

05-06-2006, 10:20 PM

You know, I keep hearing that Greedo was a bounty hunter, but was he? He appeared to be an employee of Jabba, possibly an enforcer or something, but not necessarily a bounty hunter. There was no bounty on Solo's head, yet.

On an unrelated note, I wonder if we should start calling this the "OUT" for Original Unaltered Trilogy.

bluemilk

05-07-2006, 01:11 AM

when in doubt Junior, refer to the official site :) vive le Greedo (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/greedo/index.html)!

from starwars.com:
Greedo was an overzealous bounty hunter hired by Jabba the Hutt to collect on Han Solo.

James

05-07-2006, 02:37 AM

^Amen to that Bluemilk

There's not doubt that greedo was not a bounty hunter.

Sluggo

05-07-2006, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Jack Spencer Jr@May 6 2006, 06:20 PM
On an unrelated note, I wonder if we should start calling this the "OUT" for Original Unaltered Trilogy.
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I've always heard this set refered to as the OOT, the Original Old Trilogy. I dont want to think of the OOT as out. It's always IN.

Justin

05-08-2006, 12:35 AM

I bet they're going to look like crap so Lucasfilm can say "look how much better the movies are now!"

To be honest, even though the restoration work done in 2004 was amazing, some of it is still lacking. For instance, the blues are all too bright and the red flashes look pink, not to mention some of the lightsaber effects were off, and the sound remix is terrible.

Hopefully these issues will be corrected in the future.

The White Tuxedo

05-08-2006, 03:15 PM

They always leave stuff undone so that they have new versions to sell later. ;)

Galahad_Skywalker

05-08-2006, 05:32 PM

Regardless of what the spec are on the discs, being able to sit through the original theatrical versions of the films (as opposed to the video releases) will be a real treat, since I wasn't born until '85. And besides, the laserdisc mastering wasn't that bad, if you don't expect an all-digital release like AOTC and ROTS. Take them for what they are.

I just wanted to comment on the Han and Greedo controversy...I love sitting back and laughing about the whole thing, because my perception of Han Solo as a rogue was formed before I even took the time to sit down and realize that there was a debate about the cantina scene. Besides, I think the comedic value of seeing Greedo miss from inches away is priceless. The guy's such a worthless opponent that Decipher's Star Wars CCG only gives him a forfeit of 1/2, the only card to be like that to my knowledge.

Mothman

05-09-2006, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by qui-riv-brid+May 4 2006, 09:34 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(qui-riv-brid @ May 4 2006, 09:34 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>I hope it has the complete Luke and Biggs scene at the end in the Rebel base instead it being cut out as it was in the video releases
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[/b]

I don't believe that the "complete" scene with Luke & Biggs was in the original theatrical release. That was some cut footage that was added with the release of the Special Editions. It was later edited down with the release of the DVD set.

<!--QuoteBegin-qui-riv-brid@May 4 2006, 09:34 AM
Though I expect it will have the Episode IV tag and not just be blank there or will it be?
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If they are going to sell it as the original theatrical release, the Episode IV tag better not be there. That didn't arrive until a theatrical re-release some time after "The Empire Strikes Back" first came out. (I remember that the press made a big deal out of ESB having "Episode V" in the opening crawl.)

Master Magnus

05-09-2006, 04:17 PM

Well, if it's going to be the '77 version, then at least one scene should be missing (the scene in which Chewie scares a mouse droid which was included in the '79 re-release IIRC).

T-bone

05-09-2006, 04:18 PM

No that was always in the film.

Master Magnus

05-09-2006, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by T'bone@May 9 2006, 09:18 PM
No that was always in the film.
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Oh... While I wasn't around in '77, that's one of the scenes that I've seen stated to have been included in later theatrical re-releases, but your word is good enough for me.

Obidobi

05-09-2006, 08:35 PM

The jabba scene is out though.... So is some footage of Millenium Falcon leaving docking bay 94 ++++++

Darth Octavious

05-09-2006, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by The White Tuxedo@May 8 2006, 02:15 PM
They always leave stuff undone so that they have new versions to sell later. ;)
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I agree. Maybe the 30 year anniversary "Box Set"

Jack Spencer Jr

05-09-2006, 09:39 PM

Gee.

Maybe this whole special edition thing was just a money making scheme. As in Lucas never really wanted to change the movies or nothing but he figured that by doing so he could stir up some desire for the unaltered versions and just keep going back & forth selling us multiple copies.

Hmmm. I doubt it, but if it could be true, that would be marketing genius!

James

05-10-2006, 02:47 AM

No I don't think so. He had been frustrrated when making the ot that there were certain things he couldn't do so he wanted to bring them up to the standards of the 90s and 2000s.

techno-union

05-10-2006, 04:27 AM

I will probably just buy ANH, given it has the most changes made to it, and it is the original Star Wars.

It will be good to see it without not just the major changes like new shots, but without the little fix-ups they did.

thepepgal

05-10-2006, 09:00 AM

On an unrelated note, I wonder if we should start calling this the "OUT" for Original Unaltered Trilogy.

It's good to see that George is coming OUT. :nahnah:

qui-riv-brid

05-10-2006, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Talcy@May 4 2006, 11:25 AM
The Luke & Biggs scene won't be in it. Simple as. Not because I have
any
secret info, but because these are the original versions, as they were
seen
way back when. No lengthening, no bits we haven't seen in any other
versions. The originals. No Biggs, Camie, Tank or Fixer. No Jabba. No
"Episode IV: A New Hope". Just good old Star Wars, as we remembered it
when
we got all excited for that very first time as nippers. And there will
be
wolfmen!

That's my point. The original theatrical release has the Luke/Biggs
reunion at the end in the Rebel base before the Death Star battle. That was put
back in the SE with the exception of one small cut. That being the Red
Leader's line about knowing Luke's father when he was a boy and saying he was a
great pilot which was in hindsight such a great ironic moment because RL gets
shot down by Vader.

For the later theatrical releases and on VHS and LD that scene was
entirely removed. I don't know why maybe it was because Lucas figured it was
too strong a hint that Vader was Luke's father? That would only apply
though depending on when the cut was introduced into the theater's before
1980's ESB was released and I don't know when that re-release occured.

T-bone

05-10-2006, 01:17 PM

The original theatrical release has the Luke/Biggs reunion at the end in the Rebel base before the Death Star battle.

Not true.

qui-riv-brid

05-10-2006, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by Mothman@May 9 2006, 01:49 PM
I don't believe that the "complete" scene with Luke & Biggs was in the original theatrical release.* That was some cut footage that was added with the release of the Special Editions.* It was later edited down with the release of the DVD set.

If they are going to sell it as the original theatrical release, the Episode IV tag better not be there.* That didn't arrive until a theatrical re-release some time after "The Empire Strikes Back" first came out.* (I remember that the press made a big deal out of ESB having "Episode V" in the opening crawl.)
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No, that scene was there in full in the original release then cut out completely with the same re-release that added the EP. IV tag. It was then partially restored in the 97 SE except for the aforementioned Red Leader line.

T-bone

05-10-2006, 01:35 PM

No, that scene was there in full in the original release then cut out completely with the same re-release that added the EP. IV tag.

Not true.

Darth Fool

05-11-2006, 07:34 AM

^That's true. I mean true that it's not true. That's to say not true as opposed to t...I mean I agree with T'Bone! :bop:

Anyway, it would be good if this release had some extras. Deleted scenes always seemd unlikely but I would have loved them to include a short documentary on each about the many different versions - and the whys of each change.

Still at least I can now own the original versions on (official) DVD, though actually my main hope is that they fix the problems on the 2004 editions.

Darth Octavious

05-11-2006, 04:34 PM

Sometimes, I think you guys ask for too much.

cj790

05-11-2006, 05:34 PM

Zedekk

05-11-2006, 05:36 PM

:happydance: Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!

Frendon

05-11-2006, 05:39 PM

Ok, I already own the orignal trilogy re-msatered editions on video, the SE on video, and the remastered SE (or whatever they're called) on dvd - do I really need to buy a fourth set of the same film now? Honestly?

You don't need to, nobody is forcing you to buy them. Some of us have waited for the Unaltered Original Trilogy to be on dvd for a long time, so if you don't see any reason to buy them, don't.

Stale Elvis

05-11-2006, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by T'bone@May 3 2006, 09:13 PM
I actually knew about this last week and I have more info on it which I'll try to get written up ASAP on the site...

I wouldn't get THAT excited yet...
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T, you mentioned this on page one - and seeing you're the only one with any inside info can you elaborate???

T-bone

05-11-2006, 10:04 PM

i have a fairly long editorial in the works - hang tight.

The White Tuxedo

05-11-2006, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by James@May 9 2006, 08:47 PM
No I don't think so. He had been frustrrated when making the ot that there were certain things he couldn't do so he wanted to bring them up to the standards of the 90s and 2000s.
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Yeah, and what happens when they aren't up to the standards of the 2020's and 2030's. :D

T-bone

05-12-2006, 02:46 AM

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1531527/story.jhtml

Jack Spencer Jr

05-12-2006, 06:44 AM

"Now we'll find out whether they really wanted the original or whether they wanted the improved versions," he said. "It'll all come out in the end."
Huh? How is he going to prove anything of the sort if the originals are packaged with the new versions?

thepepgal

05-12-2006, 09:25 AM

Ok, I already own the orignal trilogy re-msatered editions on video, the SE on video, and the remastered SE (or whatever they're called) on dvd - do I really need to buy a fourth set of the same film now? Honestly?

Since you already own it three times you will obviously need or want to buy it a fourth time. You will need the whole package as a completist. If not the collection will be incomplete. ;)

bothanspy

05-12-2006, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by qui-riv-brid+May 10 2006, 11:21 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(qui-riv-brid @ May 10 2006, 11:21 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Mothman@May 9 2006, 01:49 PM
I don't believe that the "complete" scene with Luke & Biggs was in the original theatrical release.* That was some cut footage that was added with the release of the Special Editions.* It was later edited down with the release of the DVD set.

If they are going to sell it as the original theatrical release, the Episode IV tag better not be there.* That didn't arrive until a theatrical re-release some time after "The Empire Strikes Back" first came out.* (I remember that the press made a big deal out of ESB having "Episode V" in the opening crawl.)
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No, that scene was there in full in the original release then cut out completely with the same re-release that added the EP. IV tag. It was then partially restored in the 97 SE except for the aforementioned Red Leader line.
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Here we go again, folks. For all of you that are still convinced that you saw the Biggs scene back in '77, '78, '79 or one night after a serious binge of hallucinogens, here's something you need to read:

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/bts/art...30/indexp2.html (http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/bts/article/f20000530/indexp2.html)

People need to stop fixating on their trading cards and Star Wars Storybooks.

BTW--interesting to see who's NEVER seen the Classic Trilogy and only the Special Editions. Can't wait for their reactions come this Fall.

elelohesterling

05-12-2006, 01:34 PM

PRAISE GOD!!!
:trooperz::vader::spank::vaderxmas:

Darth Octavious

05-12-2006, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by cj790@May 11 2006, 04:34 PM
Ok, I already own the orignal trilogy re-msatered editions on video, the SE on video, and the remastered SE (or whatever they're called) on dvd - do I really need to buy a fourth set of the same film now? Honestly?
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Finally someone understands, YES!! Thank You!

James

05-12-2006, 09:26 PM

I never saw the original ROTJ for the OR, only in SE and the SE on DVD.

BigMackDaddy

05-13-2006, 12:00 AM

T-Bone, when will that "lengthy editorial," be up?

T-bone

05-13-2006, 01:20 AM

it's almost done.

James

05-13-2006, 01:32 AM

I'm looking forward to reading it :)

Master Magnus

05-13-2006, 11:44 AM

^I second that. I'm very curious. Will it be finished today, T?

T-bone

05-13-2006, 12:20 PM

i am away on family business most of today and i still have to do a little editing so we're looking at a monday/tuesday post if possible.

it's mostly speculation based on rumor and hearsay and i don't think lucasfilm will like it if they ever see it but it's an OP-ED piece so i hope everyone keeps that in mind.

in short - i think they've made mistakes with all the DVD releases so far and this is just another in a long line of dumb moves...

Jack Spencer Jr

05-13-2006, 04:40 PM

"Dumb moves"?? Did they name the chapters after Ewoks or somethin'?

James

05-14-2006, 04:11 AM

Originally posted by Jack Spencer Jr@May 14 2006, 07:40 AM
"Dumb moves"?? Did they name the chapters after Ewoks or somethin'?
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eh? :what:

Darth Palpy

05-14-2006, 09:57 AM

it's almost done.

Almost, Amost ???

Dang it fella, move ya asp !

;)

Master Magnus

05-14-2006, 10:26 AM

^It's good to see you again, it has been a while!

Take your time, T, we'll wait.

The Prism

05-14-2006, 03:53 PM

I know I'm pretty much alone in this opinion, but I kinda wished Lucas would've stuck to his guns and not released the original versions. Or, he should've waited until the release of a box set of the entire saga.

Jack Spencer Jr

05-14-2006, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by The Prism@May 14 2006, 02:53 PM
I know I'm pretty much alone in this opinion, but I kinda wished Lucas would've stuck to his guns and not released the original versions. Or, he should've waited until the release of a box set of the entire saga.
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It does call into question the whole "this is the version I really want out there" stuff. Personally, I'm too concerned about that. At least he's putting them out and if we all actually go out and buy them like we said we would, then it will send a very, very clear message.

If only my not buying the prequels could send as clear a message. :blush:

stout459

05-14-2006, 09:29 PM

Hi T'Bone - Have you heard anything about the much speculated "Ultimate Edition" DVD set? This set has been talked about for so long its become something of an urban legend.

Is such a set actually being worked on and will there be additional changes to both the original and prequel films?

Thanks as always for any info...

T-bone

05-14-2006, 09:35 PM

haven't heard but i wouldn't be surprised.

Justin

05-15-2006, 04:07 PM

The Prism

05-15-2006, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by Justin+May 15 2006, 02:07 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Justin @ May 15 2006, 02:07 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-The Prism@May 14 2006, 02:53 PM
I know I'm pretty much alone in this opinion, but I kinda wished Lucas would've stuck to his guns and not released the original versions.*
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Why??
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[/b][/quote]

Because I like what GL has done with the special editions. Sure, Greedo shooting first is kind of ridiculous, and Vader's ADR when going to his shuttle in ESB was unnecessary, but for the most part, I'm happy with the changes he's made.

The White Tuxedo

05-15-2006, 05:19 PM

Still, they are not simply Lucas' films and Lucas' films alone. :) No matter what changes are made, it's best to have to original as well.

Darth Palpy

05-15-2006, 09:36 PM

^It's good to see you again, it has been a while!

It sure has.

:)

Justin

05-15-2006, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by The Prism+May 15 2006, 04:06 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Prism @ May 15 2006, 04:06 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Justin@May 15 2006, 02:07 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-The Prism@May 14 2006, 02:53 PM
I know I'm pretty much alone in this opinion, but I kinda wished Lucas would've stuck to his guns and not released the original versions.*
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Why??
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Because I like what GL has done with the special editions. Sure, Greedo shooting first is kind of ridiculous, and Vader's ADR when going to his shuttle in ESB was unnecessary, but for the most part, I'm happy with the changes he's made.
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Well that may be, but I don't understand why you would want everyone who dislikes the special editions and would like to own the originals on DVD to be denied that opportunity.

The Prism

05-16-2006, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Justin@May 15 2006, 09:34 PM
Well that may be, but I don't understand why you would want everyone who dislikes the special editions and would like to own the originals on DVD to be denied that opportunity.
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Because as much as many would like to believe that these are THEIR films, they're actually GL's. He created them, he's the artist. Thus, he should decide how he wants it to be viewed.

I'm not disagreeing with their release altogether. I just sorta wish he released it differently. For historical purposes, I think it's great for people to own them. I guess I'm just saying that I hope people won't view the original versions as if they are the definitive cut of the films, because ultimately, that's not the case.

elelohesterling

05-16-2006, 01:56 PM

might be interesting...hmmm ;)

bothanspy

05-16-2006, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by stout459@May 14 2006, 07:29 PM
Is such a set actually being worked on and will there be additional changes to both the original and prequel films?

Well, with the "new" Ep I Yoda in the Ep III DVD documentary, I think we'll see some prequel changes.

Overall, I'm fine with the DVD changes in the Classic Trilogy. As I stated before, I think the color correction (especially on Ep IV) was terrible and needs to be fixed. Lowry Digital doing a film a month was a rush job. I think they did a beautiful job on clean-up, but you can't tell me that the films (color-wise) are what Lucas originally released.

Other than that, I don't think there's anything else to change in the OT. Just give us more bonus material. Plow through the archives and give us deleted scenes. We know they exist ("Lost Cut" anyone?); just clean them up and include them. I can't imagine what they're getting from the archives for the OOT set in Sept.

P-Ray

05-16-2006, 10:23 PM

First look at the unaltered OT DVD's!

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/release...ws20060516.html (http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/release/video/news20060516.html)

empire21

05-16-2006, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by P-Ray@May 16 2006, 08:23 PM
First look at the unaltered OT DVD's!

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/release...ws20060516.html (http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/release/video/news20060516.html)
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They look great can't wait to get them, thanks for the link P-Ray :thumbs-up:

Jack Spencer Jr

05-17-2006, 12:37 AM

I find myself wondering, how much would it cost Lucasfilm to use the original poster art? I don't mean to complain but those, like the last DVD covers looked like, well, one of us spent the afternoon with screen caps and photoshop. I'm just wondering if it would really be so prohibitively expensive?

MasterKyobi9d9

05-17-2006, 12:48 AM

Yeah, seriously get the origonal poster art these covers look bad.

T-bone

05-17-2006, 01:23 AM

Nice ANH Han on the ESB disc...man.
They did that with the VHS covers once - put ESB Leia on the ANH box.

frickin weird.

James

05-17-2006, 02:30 AM

I like these covers much better the 2004 DVD ones. :)

James

05-17-2006, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by T'bone@May 17 2006, 04:23 PM
Nice ANH Han on the ESB disc...man.
They did that with the VHS covers once - put ESB Leia on the ANH box.

frickin weird.
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and yea i'd often wondered about that.

Justin

05-17-2006, 03:05 AM

Well those covers are a hell of a lot better than the awful ones they used in 2004, but who knows why they wouldn't use the awesome paintings of the original posters.

P-Ray

05-17-2006, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by Jack Spencer Jr@May 16 2006, 10:37 PM
I find myself wondering, how much would it cost Lucasfilm to use the original poster art? I don't mean to complain but those, like the last DVD covers looked like, well, one of us spent the afternoon with screen caps and photoshop. I'm just wondering if it would really be so prohibitively expensive?
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What do the individual covers for the second OT trilogy DVD box set look like?

I mean the second OT DVD set that was released with just the movies and w/o the bonus disc. I didn't pick them up and never got a chance to see them.

I curious because the outside had original art, it appeared.

DukeIrot

05-17-2006, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by P-Ray@May 17 2006, 11:52 AM

What do the individual covers for the second OT trilogy DVD box set look like?

I mean the second OT DVD set that was released with just the movies and w/o the bonus disc. I didn't pick them up and never got a chance to see them.

I curious because the outside had original art, it appeared.
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Only change was the outside box. DVD covers were the same than in the first DVD release.

empire21

05-17-2006, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by James@May 17 2006, 12:30 AM
I like these covers much better the 2004 DVD ones. :)
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Same here, I like these covers the best so far. Although I didn't notice the ANH Han on the ESB cover like T pointed out :p

Master Magnus

05-17-2006, 08:15 AM

^A pity that the original poster art weren't used IMHO...

empire21

05-17-2006, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by Master Magnus@May 17 2006, 06:15 AM
^A pity that the original poster art weren't used IMHO...
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True, and I had assumed thats what they were going to use, but like I said I really like this look, maybe they'll have some original artwork and other cool stuff in the booklet inside.

T-bone

05-17-2006, 11:10 AM

the better cover art is on the 2004 set WITHOUT the bonus disc - lame lame lame.

T-bone

05-17-2006, 11:57 AM

someone sent me this.
how lame...

Master Magnus

05-17-2006, 12:06 PM

^I saw that over at TheDigitalBits, they've done something to convey a feeling of the poster art, but it fell a bit short IMHO (the ROTJ poster... umm, it brings back childhood memories...).

bothanspy

05-17-2006, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by T'bone@May 17 2006, 09:57 AM
someone sent me this.
how lame...
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You'd think they'd use original poster art so we can REALLY tell it's the OOT.

What a sad attempt to recreate what they can already use.

bothanspy

05-17-2006, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by James+May 17 2006, 12:31 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(James @ May 17 2006, 12:31 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-T'bone@May 17 2006, 04:23 PM
Nice ANH Han on the ESB disc...man.
They did that with the VHS covers once - put ESB Leia on the ANH box.

frickin weird.
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and yea i'd often wondered about that.
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I'm pretty sure Chewie on the ANH cover is from ESB, and Vader on ESB looks like some of the ROTS Vader photos I've seen.

T-bone

05-17-2006, 12:10 PM

exactly - why not just USE THE ART?

something smells...

Stale Elvis

05-17-2006, 03:43 PM

Just vented spleen on these over on the CHUD boards...

...i quite simply cannot understand why the F they will not use the original poster art - any of the styles - why the F not????

...these 'Photoshop for beginners' covers just reek of evrything that modern Lucasfilm has become - all shiny visuals but no substance or style.

Did the design team honestly sit down and decide that these were the best they could come up with? From the layouts to the final execution they are trully awful. They should be freakin' ashamed!!!

Even the John Alvin covers for the last VHS releases (and tie in book covers) from the mid-nineties were better than these.

And the absolute disregard to details (ANH Han in ESB cover, post-op mark hamill on ANH and ROTS Vader throughout) is madening...

...I've worked in many design studios over the years and I don't know anyone I've worked with that would be proud of the cut and paste jobs.

Anyone know what design studio was commissioned to do these???

...appologies for the swearing, i'm titsed off.

bluemilk

05-17-2006, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by T'bone@May 17 2006, 07:57 AM
someone sent me this.
how lame...
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I think it's wonderful :) a nice modern twist to fit nicely with the rest of my dvds. cool beans.

RollaFett

05-17-2006, 04:38 PM

I can live with the blah photo covers, but I'd love to see the original poster art as well. That said, I do kind of like what they were trying to do by replicating the old posters, it just wasn't done well enough, unfortunately.
I'll live though, at least we'll have the original films now.

bluemilk

05-17-2006, 05:01 PM

this nitpicking the dvd covers, especially the comments by Stale Elvis really concern me. It's interesting that people take it so personally. Some people here know that I had liver surgery a few years ago and Star Wars held a big role in my recovery. I didn't have much energy to do anything physical for a few months so I got really involved in the EU and the classic trilogy.

What's the point? Now it's come full circle and the last week I've had abnormal blood tests regarding my liver and went to an ultrasound today to check to see if they can find what's wrong. I'm sick and I barely have the energy to go to work everyday. Oddly enough, I've turned to Star Wars yet again to help me through this. At this rate I wouldn't care if the dvds came in cardboard boxes; I just hope I'm still around to see them. jeez.

T-bone

05-17-2006, 05:09 PM

Well I hope you feel better but surely you can realize that people will have opinions.

And if I were you I wouldn't read my next editorial which should go up tonight. At least not until you're feeling better.

:D

Stale Elvis

05-17-2006, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by bluemilk@May 17 2006, 03:01 PM
this nitpicking the dvd covers, especially the comments by Stale Elvis really concern me. It's interesting that people take it so personally. Some people here know that I had liver surgery a few years ago and Star Wars held a big role in my recovery. I didn't have much energy to do anything physical for a few months so I got really involved in the EU and the classic trilogy.

What's the point? Now it's come full circle and the last week I've had abnormal blood tests regarding my liver and went to an ultrasound today to check to see if they can find what's wrong. I'm sick and I barely have the energy to go to work everyday. Oddly enough, I've turned to Star Wars yet again to help me through this. At this rate I wouldn't care if the dvds came in cardboard boxes; I just hope I'm still around to see them. jeez.
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Bluemilk, I'm sorry you're not in the best of health and wish you all the best and hope for a speedy recovery.

In regards to your comments, I don't take the design of covers personally. From a very early age I liked to draw, like alot of kids of my generation Star Wars was a major influence on me in regards to using our imagination - from using our memory of what we saw on screen to copying pictures from books and copying the movie posters. From this introduction to art and design I've gone on to earn a Masters in Graphic Design. I've worked in the industry for almost 10 years and have been using Photoshop (the software that these covers were more than likely designed in) for almost 20 years. To my eye (and alot of other people's - read the other boards on the net) the covers seem badly executed and particularly clumsy. I'd honestly have no problem with photo montage covers if they were finished in a decent manner - but seeing as they haven't been it just seems ludicrous that they would ignore the original art that inspired a whole generation of new artists and designers.

Stale Elvis

05-17-2006, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by T'bone@May 17 2006, 03:09 PM
And if I were you I wouldn't read my next editorial which should go up tonight.

About bloody time too ;)

I want to be able to taste the bile...

bluemilk

05-17-2006, 05:52 PM

oh I understand that people have opinions and I'm not going to try in the least to change them probably because I know the futility of that exercise :)

I would hate to be George Lucas. He makes the Prequel Trilogy and spends millions in FX, costume design, visual design etc. and even invites the fans to participate in the process and he gets called a lazy filmmaker with no imagination. The fans complained venomously that he didn't release SW on dvd. When he did, they complained venomously about the changes. When he didn't release the unaltered OT on dvd the fans complained venomously. Now that he's going to the fans complain venomously. Here in Canada the fans complained venomously that the lettering on the RotS dvd didn't match the first two. Now fans are complaining venomously about the cover art of these dvds. That's amazing considering they sit on shelves ignored most of the time. Oh and not to mention that many fans are seeing this as a cash grab now that they're finally getting what they want.

Star Wars has so much to offer so I just ask why are fans always so bitter.

Oh and thanks for kind words :) I get the results tomorrow and I hope that everything can get back to normal.

bluemilk

05-17-2006, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by T'bone@May 17 2006, 01:09 PM
Well I hope you feel better but surely you can realize that people will have opinions.

And if I were you I wouldn't read my next editorial which should go up tonight. At least not until you're feeling better.

:D
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you know I love reading your stuff over tea, even if I don't always agree with you :)

Stale Elvis

05-17-2006, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by bluemilk@May 17 2006, 03:52 PM
Star Wars has so much to offer so I just ask why are fans always so bitter.

The majority of fans aren't bitter.

I'm not one of those fans.

I am bitter.

Truthfully, most fans are happy with the numerous releases of the films over the years on various formats, most can find a happy medium of the various tinkered with/not tinkered with films on either vhs, laserdisc and dvd.

However there is are a large number of fans (mainly first generation fans) that have never been pleased with what has been released so far.

All they're after is quite simply:
1. the ORIGINAL films on dvd.
2. quality extras would be nice but not essential (deleted scenes, archive footage etc as extras - not inserted into the films)
3. packaging and presentation that dosen't detract from the quality and importance of the films and that has a subtle ellegance and style.

The reason OT lovers seem so vocal is simply because people notice negative comments and pounce on them more than they notice positive comments.

To be perfectly honest I doubt we'll ever get the dvd release we're after, so sucks to be us - never mind.

Master Magnus

05-17-2006, 06:58 PM

I'm not bitter either, I only prefer the original poster art, that's all (and I do have strong reservations against the fact that you can't buy the original versions seperately, but only together with a version you already have payed for on DVD).

Originally posted by T'bone@May 17 2006, 10:09 PM
And if I were you I wouldn't read my next editorial which should go up tonight. At least not until you're feeling better.

:D
Quoted post

Great, then there'll be something to look forward to in the morning tomorrow! Your editorials are always filled with great insight!

P-Ray

05-17-2006, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by DukeIrot+May 17 2006, 05:17 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DukeIrot @ May 17 2006, 05:17 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@May 17 2006, 11:52 AM

What do the individual covers for the second OT trilogy DVD box set look like?

I mean the second OT DVD set that was released with just the movies and w/o the bonus disc. I didn't pick them up and never got a chance to see them.

I curious because the outside had original art, it appeared.
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Only change was the outside box. DVD covers were the same than in the first DVD release.
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[/b][/quote]
Thank ya!

Jack Spencer Jr

05-17-2006, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by bluemilk@May 17 2006, 04:52 PM

Star Wars has so much to offer so I just ask why are fans always so bitter.

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I am fighting the urge to edit your sentence to: "Star Wars has so much to offer so I just ask why Lucas keep tinkering with it?"

Aw, dang.

bluemilk

05-17-2006, 07:12 PM

because they're his movies.

bluemilk

05-17-2006, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Stale Elvis+May 17 2006, 02:30 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stale Elvis @ May 17 2006, 02:30 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-bluemilk@May 17 2006, 03:52 PM
Star Wars has so much to offer so I just ask why are fans always so bitter.
The reason OT lovers seem so vocal is simply because people notice negative comments and pounce on them more than they notice positive comments.
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[/b][/quote]
I think that is partly true but also that people that make negative comments are more vocal and active on forums. When people are happy they are usually off doing there own thing. When people are unhappy then tend to find someone(s) to complain to. :)

but I've said what I needed to say so enjoy your thread!

Jack Spencer Jr

05-17-2006, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by bluemilk@May 17 2006, 06:12 PM
because they're his movies.
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You know, I keep hearing that and every time I do I am less convinced by it, yet I fail to have a decent counter to it. But I think I have one now--

I live in the middle of onion country. Onion farms and stuff. There are a couple distributor companies around, usually attached to a farm or something like that where they load the onions into sacks for distribution to wholesalers, grocers and the like. One such company was run by an old guy, been in the business for years. Occasionally he'd go to the warehouse and piss all over the sacks filled with onions. Literally. He'd drop trou and urinate on the onions in his warehouse.

They're his onions.

Which is not to say that Lucas is whizzing on the OOT per se, but that here is another example of someone doing something with what is technically his property but should he be doing that? Should we be happy with him doing that to his property, particularly if we tend to buy onions from the man?

This may be a strained analogy, though. Apologies for that.

Stale Elvis

05-17-2006, 08:03 PM

I'LL BE DAMNED IF LUCAS THINKS HE'S whizzing ON MY ONIONS!!!

Stale Elvis

05-17-2006, 08:05 PM

...nice swear filter...

Fity F F!!!

T-bone

05-17-2006, 08:12 PM

calm yourself down.

BigMackDaddy

05-17-2006, 08:22 PM

Is it true that the OOT will not be anamorphic?

empire21

05-17-2006, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by Jack Spencer Jr+May 17 2006, 05:28 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jack Spencer Jr @ May 17 2006, 05:28 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-bluemilk@May 17 2006, 06:12 PM
because they're his movies.
Quoted post

You know, I keep hearing that and every time I do I am less convinced by it, yet I fail to have a decent counter to it. But I think I have one now--

I live in the middle of onion country. Onion farms and stuff. There are a couple distributor companies around, usually attached to a farm or something like that where they load the onions into sacks for distribution to wholesalers, grocers and the like. One such company was run by an old guy, been in the business for years. Occasionally he'd go to the warehouse and piss all over the sacks filled with onions. Literally. He'd drop trou and urinate on the onions in his warehouse.

They're his onions.

Which is not to say that Lucas is whizzing on the OOT per se, but that here is another example of someone doing something with what is technically his property but should he be doing that? Should we be happy with him doing that to his property, particularly if we tend to buy onions from the man?

This may be a strained analogy, though. Apologies for that.
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[/b][/quote]

Of course not, I happen to enjoy urine soaked onions, and Damn GL for being in the business of making money rather than losing it :rolleyes:

Jack Spencer Jr

05-17-2006, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by empire21@May 17 2006, 07:23 PM
... and Damn GL for being in the business of making money rather than losing it :rolleyes:
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Why is common response #14 about Lucas making money? I don't get that.

empire21

05-17-2006, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by Jack Spencer Jr+May 17 2006, 06:43 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jack Spencer Jr @ May 17 2006, 06:43 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-empire21@May 17 2006, 07:23 PM
... and Damn GL for being in the business of making money rather than losing it :rolleyes:
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Why is common response #14 about Lucas making money? I don't get that.
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[/b][/quote]
Whats so hard to get, you got the most loved and respected franchise in the world, you mean to tell me Mr. Spencer Jr. that if you didn't own the rights to this franchise you wouldn't milk it for all it's worth, of course you would, and thats what makes GL so smart as a business man, which would make you as equally smart if you owned this franchise to do the same, but of course your too busy urinating on your onions to realize that :)

T-bone

05-17-2006, 08:57 PM

http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/editorials/o...rilogy_dvds.htm (http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/editorials/original_original_trilogy_dvds.htm)

Darth Darthy

05-17-2006, 09:16 PM

This was the original DVD cover concept. George said it was "too good."

T-bone

05-17-2006, 09:23 PM

by Strong Bad

DonSwoosh

05-17-2006, 09:24 PM

Great editorial, T.

Interesting stuff about his ex-wife.

T-bone

05-17-2006, 09:28 PM

I can't vouch for how much of it is true about her, but it does make you think, no?

DonSwoosh

05-17-2006, 09:30 PM

If true, Lucas is in a bind, really...well sort of.

Doesn't want to pay her the money but he doesn't want to spend money on the unaltered versions either, knowing somewhat that the fans are not happy with a non anamorphic product.

Darth Darthy

05-17-2006, 09:32 PM

Yeah, interesting angle on the Marcia thing. Still, why not anamorphic if it's a "bonus" anway? Probably doesn't want to invest in something like that for such a limited audience and from a business point of view, that's undertandable. From an art point of view, it's not.
If they're cheap I'll buy them but not for $30 each, no way.

DonSwoosh

05-17-2006, 09:36 PM

I agree, Darth. It technically doesn't make sense business wise.

DonSwoosh

05-17-2006, 09:38 PM

Lucas should've just stayed with his plan and release the Originals on DVD after Episode III.

Darth Darthy

05-17-2006, 09:43 PM

Erm, actually it does, that's what I was saying. How many people are going to buy this based on that "bonus"? Very few as far as DVD sales go, you don't need a masters in Business Studies to see that. I love Star Fights but I won't be buying this. I already have them on DVD, I don't need yet another damn version and I don't collect crap - I'd rather spend that money on a nice home or a holiday. Which is why T's comment about fans being smart is quite ironic in relation to this article. C'mon people, stop wasting your money on this junk and why buy it if your gonna ***** about it?!?
And the piracy angle was mentioned before somewhere so I assume that's also a deciding factor. But that's Lucas' problem for shooting himself in the foot.

The White Tuxedo

05-17-2006, 09:44 PM

Great piece, T'bone! I never knew about the Marcia situation, with money and what not. I've always wondered what money she got though. Interesting. The Galaxy goes to hell because of Anakin and his wife, and Star Wars homevideo goes to hell because of Lucas and his wife. The parallels between Lucas and Anakin continue. You know, wanting all the power, etc. I'm saying much of this in jest. Don't want to sound like a basher. But I do mean it just a little bit. :)

But I have to ask the people who said "Just be happy these films are on DVD, and don't whine". Why should we accept this? It's obviously just a marketing ploy to ring out our wallets again. They will be yet more releases in the future. I think it's really unfortunate, and shows ego on the part of Lucas, and his lack of respect for the original films.

I'm gonna wait for the uber release. Or at least the first uber release. Ugh. This is a shame. Shame on Lucas.

I sound like an angry fanboy, though I don't look at myself as a fanboy. I'm concerned out of love for Star Wars. These films are getting shafted, and so are we. But there will be a better release of these, I''ve got faith in that. This is just get moremoney out of it. If he release the best version now. How can he repackage it later? Very sad.

P-Ray

05-17-2006, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by bluemilk+May 17 2006, 05:15 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bluemilk @ May 17 2006, 05:15 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Stale Elvis@May 17 2006, 02:30 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-bluemilk@May 17 2006, 03:52 PM
Star Wars has so much to offer so I just ask why are fans always so bitter.
The reason OT lovers seem so vocal is simply because people notice negative comments and pounce on them more than they notice positive comments.
Quoted post

I think that is partly true but also that people that make negative comments are more vocal and active on forums. When people are happy they are usually off doing there own thing. When people are unhappy then tend to find someone(s) to complain to. :)

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[/b][/quote]
Very true !

T-bone

05-17-2006, 09:52 PM

I felt that same kind of guilt writing it but you know, this is how I feel at the moment. I'm glad to have them but not happy about how we're getting them. Those original versions get no respect at all and if it does turn out that all this was the result of a divorce grudge, man that's just lame.

I didn't make any of that stuff up, it's hearsay but you know, from folks I know otherwise I'd just toss it aside as trash but when you start thinking about it, some of it does make sense.

Like I said though - the Marcia thing is irrelevant. It's the lack of respect for the old films.

It sucks how they now are targeting the demand just to maximze sales. Give em crap for now and let them buy it again when (and if) we do it right the next time. I love how that ad reads "Huge sales potential..."

DonSwoosh

05-17-2006, 09:55 PM

T, how much was Jim Ward behind this release?

P-Ray

05-17-2006, 09:58 PM

http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=23367

T-bone

05-17-2006, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by DonSwoosh@May 17 2006, 08:55 PM
T, how much was Jim Ward behind this release?
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i dont know but he's usually a driving force behind the PR machine.

Jack Spencer Jr

05-17-2006, 10:04 PM

Wow, the Marcia part reminds me of the whole Dungeons & Dragons/Advanced Dungeons & Dragons division over at TSR in an effort to cut Dave Arneson out of the money or something like that. It does explain a whole lot, though, because some of the additions to the SE are incredibly shoddy, but that's because they were rushed to get the SE out to cut marcia out (if this rumor and speculation is true)

I find it very interesting indeed. If it is true, I should apologize for all the mean things I'd said about Lucas not realizing when enough is enough. It is likely he would be happy to leave the movies as they were originally, if not for the ex-wife.

DonSwoosh

05-17-2006, 10:05 PM

Well, I guess the only question that remains is what will the boxset be like? Will it be what fans have been hoping for or just another botched job by Lucasfilm?

Personally, it doesn't matter to me because I love the 2004 Editions with a small asterick beside it. But, I know I'm in the minority when it comes to this Original Trilogy issue between Lucas and fans.

And if the stuff with the ex-wife is true, I think some need to cut him a little slack. Not alot, but a little. I'm sure he's not happy about it either if that info about his ex-wife is in fact true.