Is Luke the Chosen One? [Archive]

Soontir Solo

11-10-2005, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by GeneralDirection@Nov 10 2005, 08:04 PM
What makes you think Luke is the chosen one? The prophecy is that the chosen one will destroy the Sith, and Anakin kills Palpatine ... destroying the Sith. He fulfills the prophecy completely. Hence, for me, it's very clear that he is the chosen one. I don't see much room for debate about that, but I'd be interested to hear why you think it's Luke.
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To me Luke was the one who actually destroyed the Sith. He destroyed Darth Vader, and through Anakin, he destroyed Palpatine. If it hadn't been for Luke Palpatine would have never been destroyed, and neither would Vader. I think Luke fulfilled the prophecy by bringing Anakin back to the light, which led to Palpatine being killed. I don't disagree that it was by Anakin's hand that Palpatine died, but I think overall credit goes to Luke. It was his presence and him getting through to Anakin that fulfilled the prophecy in my opinion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Exactly!! It's not like he wrote it, or anything.[/b][/quote]

Once again George Lucas doesn't tell me how to interpret a movie, no matter if he wrote it or not. I will never let someone else think for me. I'll make up my own mind on all matters. When I watch a movie I come to my own conclusions about it, no matter what the director/creator himself says about it.

alew773

11-11-2005, 02:47 PM

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/royalguard.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vader.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/royalguard.gif i know that vader killed palptine but stil luke brought back teh jedi and a new temple and if you think about it before luke there were only dark side users but by turning vader back he started a new set of jedi also luke was teh one who weakened palptine

Kapit

11-11-2005, 03:00 PM

one of the problems with luke being the chosen one is that he wasnt concieved by the Force, he was born like a normal child, whereas anakin was quite obviously born without a father

and soontir, this is one of those things that can't be left open to interpretation. GL has said numerous times in commentaries, webdocs, etc that anakin's the chosen one. seeing as how those are "official" interviews, i think it's pretty safe to say your interpretation is completley wrong

the c0unt

11-11-2005, 03:10 PM

<span style="font-family:Courier">I believe Anakin is the chosen one.

Why? Sure Luke may have destroyed Vader by redeeming Anakin, but that still leaves Palpatine, who Anakin finished off. So Anakin destroyed the Sith, with a little help.
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dvs

11-12-2005, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by alew773@Nov 10 2005, 03:35 PM
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Dark Helmet

11-12-2005, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by the c0unt@Nov 11 2005, 02:10 PM
<span style="font-family:Courier">I believe Anakin is the chosen one.

Why? Sure Luke may have destroyed Vader by redeeming Anakin, but that still leaves Palpatine, who Anakin finished off. So Anakin destroyed the Sith, with a little help.
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I don't even think Luke redeemed Anakin. Anakin redeemed Anakin. He made that choice himself, he could have stood there and let Palpatine shock Luke to death.

JMAS

11-12-2005, 02:11 PM

I agree that Luke was a catalyste that helped Anakin fulfill the prophecy. But that does not in any way or stretch of the imagination make him the Chosen One.

Originally posted by alew773@Nov 11 2005, 10:47 AM
... also luke was teh one who weakened palptine
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How do you figure that?

KingKongsK

11-12-2005, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by Dark Helmet+Nov 12 2005, 10:58 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dark Helmet @ Nov 12 2005, 10:58 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-the c0unt@Nov 11 2005, 02:10 PM
<span style="font-family:Courier">I believe Anakin is the chosen one.

Why? Sure Luke may have destroyed Vader by redeeming Anakin, but that still leaves Palpatine, who Anakin finished off. So Anakin destroyed the Sith, with a little help.
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I don't even think Luke redeemed Anakin. Anakin redeemed Anakin. He made that choice himself, he could have stood there and let Palpatine shock Luke to death.
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You have a point there. However, if Luke wasn't there Anakin would never have been thrust into the situation.Therefore, Anakin would have remained on the Dark Side. Then Palpatine would destroy the galaxy and take Luke with it. So, I think there is a part of the prophecy that isn't mentioned in the movies that mentions that The Chosen One will require assistance to bring balance to the Force.

Gavin

11-12-2005, 09:56 PM

Lucas gives his approval of all the EU before it is published, and in there there are more Sith and dark Jedi after Vader and Palpatine die. Luke and his new Jedi are the ones that face them. I think they both bring balance. Anakin started it but was then consumed, but Luke was strong enough to resist. Without Luke, Vader would not have turned back to the light side, and killed Palp. They ARE father and son after all. Luke inherited Vader's destiny that he was too "weak" to fulfill.

JediMasterJamz

11-12-2005, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by alew773@Nov 11 2005, 12:47 PM
if you think about it before luke there were only dark side users <div align="right">Quoted post</div>

uhhh....no, Obi-wan and Yoda, bud

delta09

11-12-2005, 10:50 PM

Anakin is the chosen even like Lucas said even though he became vader he still did kill the emporer because if you remember the emporer was kicking lukes style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/censored.gif with his lightining

Erick Landrider

11-13-2005, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Nov 10 2005, 09:19 PM

To me Luke was the one who actually destroyed the Sith. He destroyed Darth Vader, and through Anakin, he destroyed Palpatine. If it hadn't been for Luke Palpatine would have never been destroyed, and neither would Vader. I think Luke fulfilled the prophecy by bringing Anakin back to the light, which led to Palpatine being killed. I don't disagree that it was by Anakin's hand that Palpatine died, but I think overall credit goes to Luke. It was his presence and him getting through to Anakin that fulfilled the prophecy in my opinion.

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That's kind of like saying that Adolf Hitler brought America out of the Great Depression. (Hitler started the war->America's involvement in the war helped get America's economy going again-> Adolf Hitler saves America).

True it wouldn't have been possible with out Luke, but Anakin still did the deed. He could have just as easily let the Emperor fry Luke, just like he did Mace. It was the decision that Anakin made that destroyed the Sith.

alew773

11-13-2005, 05:43 PM

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/royalguard.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vader.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/royalguard.gif excluding obi wan and yoda there were only dark side users palp and vader did not know that obi wan and yoda still lived which is why they thought they were teh only ones alive that could use the force

Erick Landrider

11-13-2005, 11:02 PM

Um, I'm not trying to be mean, but how does that pertain to the topic at hand?

Porthas

11-14-2005, 09:10 PM

Well, yeah, Lucas CAN tell you who the Chosen One is, just like he can tell you who Luke is, or Yoda, or any of the other characters he created. And if you choose to ignore the story as he wrote it, that's like saying "No, Luke isn't Luke, Luke is C3PO". Some things the man has left open for interpretation, but this ain't one of 'em.

If you think someone else is the chosen one, then you're thinking of a story you made up in your head, not the one GL is telling.

Erick Landrider

11-15-2005, 12:54 AM

Right on. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wtg.gif

Soontir Solo

11-15-2005, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by JediKaputski@Nov 11 2005, 02:00 PM
one of the problems with luke being the chosen one is that he wasnt concieved by the Force, he was born like a normal child, whereas anakin was quite obviously born without a father

and soontir, this is one of those things that can't be left open to interpretation. GL has said numerous times in commentaries, webdocs, etc that anakin's the chosen one. seeing as how those are "official" interviews, i think it's pretty safe to say your interpretation is completley wrong
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To your perhaps, but not too me. Once again I don't care what GL says. I interpret movies how I interpret them. I dont' let outside sources affect my interpretations, and the director is an outside source.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>That's kind of like saying that Adolf Hitler brought America out of the Great Depression. (Hitler started the war->America's involvement in the war helped get America's economy going again-> Adolf Hitler saves America).[/b][/quote]

Erick, Actually I would say the Japanese ending the Great Depression by attacking Pearl Harbor. But yes, had not been for the war the Great Depression woudl have continued.

Luke destroyed Darth Vader, and by doing so made Anakin destroy Darth Vader. So in my opinion Luke is the Chosen One. Also he did create an entire new Jedi Order, which just adds more weight to my belief tha he is the Chosen One. Once again I know my belief is not official George Lucas policy, but nevertheless it is how I believe.

Erick Landrider

11-16-2005, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Nov 15 2005, 01:19 AM
To your perhaps, but not too me. Once again I don't care what GL says. I interpret movies how I interpret them. I dont' let outside sources affect my interpretations, and the director is an outside source.

Outside source. He is THE source.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>That's kind of like saying that Adolf Hitler brought America out of the Great Depression. (Hitler started the war->America's involvement in the war helped get America's economy going again-> Adolf Hitler saves America).[/b][/quote]

Erick, Actually I would say the Japanese ending the Great Depression by attacking Pearl Harbor. But yes, had not been for the war the Great Depression woudl have continued.

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Lah-de-dah. Let's pick at details just to be antagonistic!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Luke destroyed Darth Vader, and by doing so made Anakin destroy Darth Vader. So in my opinion Luke is the Chosen One.
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But Anakin still performed the deed of killing the Emperor and sending the Force back into balance. Not only that, but he destroyed the Old Jedi Order and the Republic both of which were on the down fall. Luke's part in all of this, while it was critical, was just a small portion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Once again I know my belief is not official George Lucas policy, but nevertheless it is how I believe.
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All in all, while I do disagree with your opinion, I have come to believe that if someone's point of view enhances the viewing experience of the movies, I say that's cool.

If you think it's cooler to watch the movies thinking that Luke is the Chosen One, go for it. You do your thing, I'll do mine.

JMAS

11-16-2005, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Nov 14 2005, 10:19 PM
Luke destroyed Darth Vader, and by doing so made Anakin destroy Darth Vader. <div align="right">Quoted post</div>

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Soontir Solo

11-16-2005, 05:43 PM

JMAS: That was a typo, it should have said

Luke destroyed Darth Vader, and by doing so made Anakin destroy Palpatine.

And with that Erick I couldn't agree more. Just like for those who believe Anakin is the Chosen One, that is fine by me even though I don't agree.

And I know GL created Star Wars, so he is the source, but he is still an outside source. I judge the movie by what I see in the movie, not what is said about the movie.

Porthas

11-16-2005, 07:47 PM

And I know GL created Star Wars, so he is the source, but he is still an outside source. I judge the movie by what I see in the movie, not what is said about the movie.

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Considering he's the guy who made up in his head Luke, Anakin, Yoda, The Force, the story, and if it weren't for him there wouldn't be Star Wars to discuss, I'd consider GL the source, and you a spectator.

This isn't what's "said about the movie", this is a title GL has given Anakin, in addition to Darth Vader.

Now, you don't have to like it that he (Anakin) is the chosen one, but it's as much a fact as Darth Vader is Anakin. Why are both true? Because it's GL's story, it's GL's fictional character, and he's said both are true.

Riddle me this - if GL said Anakin is Darth Vader, and you accept that as fact, why aren't you accepting the second title Anakin has, which is Chosen One? Or is Anakin not really Darth Vader either? You can't have it both ways, either GL has made up this fictional character Anakin, Darth Vader, the Chosen One, or he hasn't. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif

Soontir Solo

11-16-2005, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by Porthas@Nov 16 2005, 06:47 PM
And I know GL created Star Wars, so he is the source, but he is still an outside source. I judge the movie by what I see in the movie, not what is said about the movie.

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Considering he's the guy who made up in his head Luke, Anakin, Yoda, The Force, the story, and if it weren't for him there wouldn't be Star Wars to discuss, I'd consider GL the source, and you a spectator.

This isn't what's "said about the movie", this is a title GL has given Anakin, in addition to Darth Vader.

Now, you don't have to like it that he (Anakin) is the chosen one, but it's as much a fact as Darth Vader is Anakin. Why are both true? Because it's GL's story, it's GL's fictional character, and he's said both are true.

Riddle me this - if GL said Anakin is Darth Vader, and you accept that as fact, why aren't you accepting the second title Anakin has, which is Chosen One? Or is Anakin not really Darth Vader either? You can't have it both ways, either GL has made up this fictional character Anakin, Darth Vader, the Chosen One, or he hasn't. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/scratchchin.gif
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Of course I am a spectator.........and don't spectators make up their own opinions too?

And yes GL has given Anakin that title. But I have not. I have given Luke that title. I simply disagree with George Lucas because in my opinion, by what I have seen in the movies Luke is the Chosen One. Again, I don't consider what someone says about the movie when forming my opinions. I judge a movie based on the movie itself, not what the creator says about it.

Star Wars is a movie, and much more than that now in fact. And Anakin being the Chosen One is entirely a matter of interpretation, Anakin becoming Darth Vader is not. Yes it is his story, his characters, but does that mean I must agree with everything he says about the movie? No, it does not. My interpretations differ from George Lucas's intent.

I accept Anakin is Darth Vader because IN THE MOVIE you see Anakin become Darth Vader. But calling someone the Chosen One is entirely different. Being the Chosen One is a matter of opinion and interpretation. You say he is the chosen one because he killed Palpatine, I say Luke is the chosen one because he killed Vader and allowed Anakin to kill Palpatine. It is all interpretation. Anakin becoming Vader is not a matter of interpretation like the question of who is the Chosen One. Its like comparing apples and oranges.

Commander Zero

11-17-2005, 12:41 AM

What if Luke and Anakin were both halves of the Chosen One, and without the other half the prophecy cannot be fulfilled? The way I see it Luke destroyed a Sith Lord, that is Darth Vader... Meanwhile Anakin destroyed the Source, the real face behind what has transpired in the galaxy, a Sith too, Darth Siddious. They both fulfill what the prophecy states, to destroy the Sith. Anakin wasn't capabale of going back to the true way, until his son came. Luke, even though powerful at that time, isn't capable of destroying the Emperor. So, without the other, the prophecy cannot be fulfilled.

Soontir Solo

11-17-2005, 11:25 AM

And that is a good theory, and if someone were to believe it then that would be fine with me. I personally adhere to the Luke is the Chosen One theory.

one with many names

11-17-2005, 03:03 PM

Well Lucas may have it down in his head who is who but as far as the movies go...i don't realyl see any evidence that it's either one.

Here's a thought, maybe it ain't luke, maybe it's Leia. Maybe it's neither of them, maybe it's one of their kids?

Soontir Solo

11-17-2005, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by one with many names@Nov 17 2005, 02:03 PM
Well Lucas may have it down in his head who is who but as far as the movies go...i don't realyl see any evidence that it's either one.

Here's a thought, maybe it ain't luke, maybe it's Leia. Maybe it's neither of them, maybe it's one of their kids?
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Well Jacen Solo is definitely a Chosen One of sorts. It could be argued he was based on his actions in the NJO series.

Jediwan

11-17-2005, 06:10 PM

Yes I could see that too Soontir.

Porthas

11-17-2005, 06:42 PM

How do you know Darth Vader is Darth Vader? Hmmm, perhaps because that's who George Lucas told you he was. Otherwise he'd be no one, non-existent. He also told you Anakin is The Chosen One.

It's George's story, he didn't leave it open to interpretation, case closed.

Until you can logically address this, instead of just feeling like George is wrong (he CAN'T be wrong, it's HIS UNIVERSE, HE IS IT'S FINAL AUTHORITY) I don't know why I would take you seriously.

Now, if you were speculating about who Darth Plagius (sp?) was, THAT was left open to interpretation by GL.

Soontir Solo

11-17-2005, 08:09 PM

Everything is open to interpretation Porthas, especially something like "who is the chosen one?" That is a matter of opinion, pure and simple. We know Darth Vader is Darth Vader because we SEE him. But the chosen one is an idea, a description of someone, that could apply to anyone. It is open to interpretation. It is a prophecy. Now if the prophecy said a Jedi named Anakin would come and bring balance to the force then ok, but it didn't say that, which leaves the matter open to interpretation.

And you seem to be misunderstanding my position, I don't doubt that Lucas BELIEVES and INTENDS for Anakin to be the Chosen One. Fine with me. But I don't interpret the movies that way when I watch them, nor do I allow what George Lucas, or anybody, says about the movie effect what i think of the movie. I judge a movie by the movie itself, not what Lucas says about it. I am not saying he is wrong as you seem to think. I am saying I simply have a different belief concnering this based on what I have seen in the movies. Period.

borgmatrix

11-17-2005, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Nov 16 2005, 09:43 PM
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Luke didn't make Anakin do anything. He stirred the good in his father, but it was then up to Anakin to make the decision, letting go of his role as Sith Lord and destroying Palpatine.

The Anakin-Vader conflict was an internal conflict that ultimately could only be fought by Anakin Skywalker. Luke was important as a representative of the Jedi, believing his father could return to the Light Side. Sidious was important as a representative of the Sith, believing his apprentice could never be turned from the Dark Side. And the conflict between these opposing beliefs, The Jedi (Luke) facing the Sith (Sidious), in a way represented the conflict within Anakin/Vader. He was presented with a choice. And he made it, abandoning the Dark Side and destroying the Sith to restore balance to the Force.

Luke and Palpatine were both important, as their presence created the scenario that allowed Anakin to fulfill the prophecy. But it was Anakin who faced the decision and acted to restore the balance. He was the Chosen One.

Erick Landrider

11-18-2005, 12:44 AM

This just came to mind. The prophesy speaks of one who was concieved by the medi-chlorians who will bring balance to the force. Luke is concieved the old fashion way, while Anakin, unless Shmi is a rotten liar, had no tradional father.

There isn't a whole lot of room for interpretation in that.

Soontir Solo

11-18-2005, 01:27 AM

In the movie it just says the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force, it doesn't say anything about being conceived by midi-chlorians.

Porthas

11-18-2005, 05:01 AM

And you seem to be misunderstanding my position, I don't doubt that Lucas BELIEVES and INTENDS for Anakin to be the Chosen One. Fine with me. But I don't interpret the movies that way when I watch them, nor do I allow what George Lucas, or anybody, says about the movie effect what i think of the movie.

It's not that Lucas believes and intends for Anakin to be the Chosen One, since Lucas created the character and the story, Anakin IS the Chosen One because Lucas says he is. It isn't open for interpretation. Since it's his story, he can decide who is what. Period. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whip.gif

So, because Lucas said it, I have to believe Yoda is 900 years old, Han Solo can understand Chewbacca, C-3PO is created by Anakin from spare parts... I don't see how you're not getting this. If the author out-and-out says something is true about his story, then that's what it is. It's HIS story. Since he's the one who wrote it, I'm going to go with who he says is the chosen one is, not who you say it is. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Darth Badly

11-18-2005, 10:55 AM

The 'son of sons' stuff is all bollocks anyway.

Darth Badly

11-18-2005, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Nov 18 2005, 06:27 AM
In the movie it just says the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force, it doesn't say anything about being conceived by midi-chlorians.
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But does Luke even bring balance to the force??

After he gets rid of Vader and Palpy there is NO dark siders left.

Just Luke.

How is that balance?

Soontir Solo

11-18-2005, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by Porthas@Nov 18 2005, 04:01 AM
And you seem to be misunderstanding my position, I don't doubt that Lucas BELIEVES and INTENDS for Anakin to be the Chosen One. Fine with me. But I don't interpret the movies that way when I watch them, nor do I allow what George Lucas, or anybody, says about the movie effect what i think of the movie.

It's not that Lucas believes and intends for Anakin to be the Chosen One, since Lucas created the character and the story, Anakin IS the Chosen One because Lucas says he is. It isn't open for interpretation. Since it's his story, he can decide who is what. Period. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whip.gif

So, because Lucas said it, I have to believe Yoda is 900 years old, Han Solo can understand Chewbacca, C-3PO is created by Anakin from spare parts... I don't see how you're not getting this. If the author out-and-out says something is true about his story, then that's what it is. It's HIS story. Since he's the one who wrote it, I'm going to go with who he says is the chosen one is, not who you say it is. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
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It is open to interpretation otherwise I wouldn't be interpreting it differently obviously. And your examples are completely different when compared to the question of the Chosen One. In the movie Yoda says he is 900 years old, Han Solo understands Chewbacca because we see that he does, C-3PO is created from spare parts because Anakin says that is how he did it. But the question of who is the Chosen One is entirely different. It isn't something that can't be considered a fact because it can be interpreted to mean a variety of things. It is prophecy that even the Jedi couldn't work completely out. In my opinion when watching the movies Luke is the Chosen One based on his actions, period!

And I don't expect you to believe in what I believe. If you want to believe it is Anakin because GL says so fine Porthas. But I don't and frankly I don't understand why you are so closed to the idea that I choose to interpret the movie based on what I see in the movie, not what is said about it. You seen very hostile to this for some reason.

JMAS

11-18-2005, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Nov 17 2005, 09:27 PM
In the movie it just says the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force, it doesn't say anything about being conceived by midi-chlorians.
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Actually, if you look at the dialogue:

QUI-GON: A boy... his cells have the highest concentration of midi-chlorians I have seen in a life form. It is possible he was conceived by the midi-chlorians.
MACE WINDU: You're referring to the prophesy of the one who will bring balance to the Force...you believe it's this boy??

It was very clear that Qui-Gon's reference to Anakin being conceived by the midi-chlorians that made Mace knew he was referring to the prophecy. Therefore, it is blantantly clear that being conceived by the midi-chlorians/the Force was part of the prophcy of the Chosen One.

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Nov 18 2005, 06:58 AM
But does Luke even bring balance to the force??

After he gets rid of Vader and Palpy there is NO dark siders left.

Just Luke.

How is that balance?
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Think of it in terms of a healthy body. If a person is not well, their body is out of balance, their health is out of balance. Or when someone has a mental illness, they are considered mentally "unbalanced." But when the sickness is treated or cured, then the person is again a well balanced individual.

The Sith are like a cancer that draws from and eats away at the Force. By eliminating the Sith, the cancer of the Force as it were, the Force is brought back into balance, back to being healthy.

clarkson88

11-18-2005, 04:04 PM

It was not only important for the force to be cleansed, as the life of the galaxy went hand in hand with the force. Should it suffer, so too would the ability of the midichlorians.

Erick Landrider

11-18-2005, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Nov 18 2005, 12:27 AM
In the movie it just says the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force, it doesn't say anything about being conceived by midi-chlorians.
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Dude, rewatch Episode I. Quigon says it in the council chamber, when they first arrive on Coruscant.

Porthas

11-18-2005, 06:38 PM

In my opinion when watching the movies Luke is the Chosen One based on his actions, period!

Doesn't matter. Not left open for interpretation by the creator. You can choose to interpret anything any way you want, doesn't mean it makes sense to do so.

This just means you're stubbornly ignoring the fact, which is Anakin is the Chosen One. You're also ignoring the REASON I'm bringing up the other examples - the characters aren't who they are because of the story, the characters are who they are because GL made them who they are and gave them names, actions, blah blah blah.

You're asking me, by putting your opinion up here for public scrutiny, to ignore the FACT that GL said Anakin is the chosen one. That's like asking me to ignore the FACT that Anakin is Darth Vader. Anakin only exists because of GL, and his names and titles are only exist because of GL. There wouldn't be a Chosen One, if GL hadn't of bothered to create that title for Anakin.

I'm not hostile, I'm just not going to say blue is pink because you want me to. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Porthas

11-18-2005, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by Darth Badly+Nov 18 2005, 06:58 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Badly @ Nov 18 2005, 06:58 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Soontir Solo@Nov 18 2005, 06:27 AM
In the movie it just says the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force, it doesn't say anything about being conceived by midi-chlorians.
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But does Luke even bring balance to the force??

After he gets rid of Vader and Palpy there is NO dark siders left.

Just Luke.

How is that balance?
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Yeah, like a previous post about a healthy body... I agree. I don't think Lucas had in mind the whole Yin/Yang thing where equal parts dark and light equal balance.

Porthas

11-18-2005, 07:00 PM

There wouldn't be a Chosen One, if GL hadn't of bothered to create that title for Anakin.

I'm reinforcing my own point here.

Answer some questions for me, if you want.

Why would GL bother to create the title Chosen One for Anakin?

Why would GL bother to create the title and use it on a movie focusing on Anakin?

Why would GL bother to to use the title in commercials for the movie when advertising Anakin?

How are you in a position to better understand the story than the person who created the story? He's not just the story-teller, he's the story-creator, remember.

Shadow_Almond

11-19-2005, 06:06 PM

This may sound stupid, using a Matrix line, but...as the oracle said: "The path of the One is made by the many." I think that Luke was another item that allowed Anakin to destroy the sith.

DarthVixen

11-19-2005, 08:18 PM

But luke is the seed of anakin, so Anakin had Luke who helped him destroy the Sith... but in the end it all comes down to anakin...
it just makes no sense to think luke is the chosen one because he "destroyed" Vader and Vader destroyed Palpatine

Porthas

11-19-2005, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by DarthVixen@Nov 19 2005, 04:18 PM
But luke is the seed of anakin, so Anakin had Luke who helped him destroy the Sith... but in the end it all comes down to anakin...
it just makes no sense to think luke is the chosen one because he "destroyed" Vader and Vader destroyed Palpatine
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Right. Anakin is the Chosen One who brings balance to the Force by destroying the Sith (himself and Palpatine).

Vesper

11-19-2005, 08:40 PM

A rather simple answer.

Anakin is the Chosen One, despite bringing the Jedi to their near end, he repented for his crimes by destroying the Emperor and turning back to the light saving the Jedi and destroying the Sith at the same time.

clarkson88

11-19-2005, 09:12 PM

The Jedi Order needed to be reorganised. Their code was inhibiting their ability to commune to the true will of the force. Only at the end did they see. Yoda repents in the novelisation over this. Okay so Order 66 had a lot to do with this, but I feel the code had a lot to do with Anakin's fall which in turn ment the 'inter regnum' of the Sith and the supposed destruction of the Jedi Order.

Soontir Solo

11-21-2005, 02:14 AM

Porthas: I know that everything you are saying is true when it comes to George Lucas. Yes he created Star Wars, he created Anakin, he created the title of the Chosen One, he said Anakin is the Chosen One, yes everything Star Wars comes ultimately from GL. I have not doubted this at all, not once.

Here is all I am saying, that movies are always open to interpretation. And I can tell you now that if you asked George Lucas about this he would agree that they are meant to be interpreted differently by different people. George Lucas means for Anakin to be the Chosen One, fine, great, I have no problem with that. But based on what I see in the movies I just don't agree, I personally don't interpret the movies that way. In my opinion what Luke did had a much bigger impact on destroying the Sith, hence he is the Chosen One. It is that simple. I am not trying to discredit George Lucas or anything. I am simply saying that based on what I see in the movies, Luke seems to be more of the Chosen One.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>How are you in a position to better understand the story than the person who created the story? He's not just the story-teller, he's the story-creator, remember.[/b][/quote]

I am not in a better position to understand the story, nor have I said I am. Why put words in my mouth? I simply have my own opinion, it is that simple, like I explained above.

Soontir Solo

11-21-2005, 02:20 AM

JMAS:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Actually, if you look at the dialogue:

QUI-GON: A boy... his cells have the highest concentration of midi-chlorians I have seen in a life form. It is possible he was conceived by the midi-chlorians.
MACE WINDU: You're referring to the prophesy of the one who will bring balance to the Force...you believe it's this boy??

It was very clear that Qui-Gon's reference to Anakin being conceived by the midi-chlorians that made Mace knew he was referring to the prophecy. Therefore, it is blantantly clear that being conceived by the midi-chlorians/the Force was part of the prophcy of the Chosen One.[/b][/quote]

You believe the prophecy said specifically that the Chosen One would be a Jedi who was conceived by midi-chlorians? I doubt the prophecy would be that specific about that, and not specific at all about how balance would be made. You have to put that dialogue into context. Qui-Gon led up to that, it wasn't like that one line was all he said.

All we know for sure is that the prophecy said there would be one would rise up and bring balance to the force, that is all we know for sure. As far as we know the prophecy never specifically said the Chosen One would be conceived by midi-chlorians, otherwise I think the Jedi Master's would have believed it right off the bat, rather than be skeptical.

Soontir Solo

11-21-2005, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by Erick Landrider+Nov 18 2005, 05:04 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Erick Landrider @ Nov 18 2005, 05:04 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Soontir Solo@Nov 18 2005, 12:27 AM
In the movie it just says the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force, it doesn't say anything about being conceived by midi-chlorians.
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Dude, rewatch Episode I. Quigon says it in the council chamber, when they first arrive on Coruscant.
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I know Qui-Gon said he believed Anakin was conceived by midi-chlorians, but no one ever said the Chosen One had to be conceived by midi-chlorians. The prophecy itself says there will be one to rise up and bring balance to the force, nothing more nothing less as far as we know.

IceZero

11-21-2005, 06:44 AM

Hasn't anyone watched "The Chosen One" doc on the DVD? George Lucas plainly and unanbiguously explains that Anakin/Vader is indeed the Chosen One.

Darth Badly

11-21-2005, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by JMAS+Nov 18 2005, 07:41 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JMAS @ Nov 18 2005, 07:41 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Soontir Solo@Nov 17 2005, 09:27 PM
In the movie it just says the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force, it doesn't say anything about being conceived by midi-chlorians.
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Actually, if you look at the dialogue:

QUI-GON: A boy... his cells have the highest concentration of midi-chlorians I have seen in a life form. It is possible he was conceived by the midi-chlorians.
MACE WINDU: You're referring to the prophesy of the one who will bring balance to the Force...you believe it's this boy??

It was very clear that Qui-Gon's reference to Anakin being conceived by the midi-chlorians that made Mace knew he was referring to the prophecy. Therefore, it is blantantly clear that being conceived by the midi-chlorians/the Force was part of the prophcy of the Chosen One.

Originally posted by Darth Badly@Nov 18 2005, 06:58 AM
But does Luke even bring balance to the force??

After he gets rid of Vader and Palpy there is NO dark siders left.

Just Luke.

How is that balance?
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Think of it in terms of a healthy body. If a person is not well, their body is out of balance, their health is out of balance. Or when someone has a mental illness, they are considered mentally "unbalanced." But when the sickness is treated or cured, then the person is again a well balanced individual.

The Sith are like a cancer that draws from and eats away at the Force. By eliminating the Sith, the cancer of the Force as it were, the Force is brought back into balance, back to being healthy.
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I think that's a poor example. I've never heard a doctor say "Your body is unbalanced." The metaphor of Sith as an infection works, but not the unbalanced part. I never understood it in the films and I don't understand it now.

Darth Badly

11-21-2005, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by Soontir Solo+Nov 18 2005, 05:12 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Soontir Solo @ Nov 18 2005, 05:12 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Porthas@Nov 18 2005, 04:01 AM
And you seem to be misunderstanding my position, I don't doubt that Lucas BELIEVES and INTENDS for Anakin to be the Chosen One. Fine with me. But I don't interpret the movies that way when I watch them, nor do I allow what George Lucas, or anybody, says about the movie effect what i think of the movie.

It's not that Lucas believes and intends for Anakin to be the Chosen One, since Lucas created the character and the story, Anakin IS the Chosen One because Lucas says he is.* It isn't open for interpretation.* Since it's his story, he can decide who is what.* Period. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whip.gif

So, because Lucas said it, I have to believe Yoda is 900 years old, Han Solo can understand Chewbacca, C-3PO is created by Anakin from spare parts...* I don't see how you're not getting this.* If the author out-and-out says something is true about his story, then that's what it is.* It's HIS story.* Since he's the one who wrote it, I'm going to go with who he says is the chosen one is, not who you say it is.* style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
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It is open to interpretation otherwise I wouldn't be interpreting it differently obviously. And your examples are completely different when compared to the question of the Chosen One. In the movie Yoda says he is 900 years old, Han Solo understands Chewbacca because we see that he does, C-3PO is created from spare parts because Anakin says that is how he did it. But the question of who is the Chosen One is entirely different. It isn't something that can't be considered a fact because it can be interpreted to mean a variety of things. It is prophecy that even the Jedi couldn't work completely out. In my opinion when watching the movies Luke is the Chosen One based on his actions, period!

And I don't expect you to believe in what I believe. If you want to believe it is Anakin because GL says so fine Porthas. But I don't and frankly I don't understand why you are so closed to the idea that I choose to interpret the movie based on what I see in the movie, not what is said about it. You seen very hostile to this for some reason.
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I disagree I don't think it is open to interpretation. Just because you are chosing to interpret is differently, doesn't I am afraid make it a reasonable call. I could chose to interpret Han and luke's relationship as the two characters being secret lovers. But it's just daft isn't it? And goes (as does your interpretation) against everything that Uncle George has ever said on the matter, and also against the common sense of the film story.

Darth Badly

11-21-2005, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Nov 21 2005, 07:14 AM
Porthas: I know that everything you are saying is true when it comes to George Lucas. Yes he created Star Wars, he created Anakin, he created the title of the Chosen One, he said Anakin is the Chosen One, yes everything Star Wars comes ultimately from GL. I have not doubted this at all, not once.

Here is all I am saying, that movies are always open to interpretation. And I can tell you now that if you asked George Lucas about this he would agree that they are meant to be interpreted differently by different people. George Lucas means for Anakin to be the Chosen One, fine, great, I have no problem with that. But based on what I see in the movies I just don't agree, I personally don't interpret the movies that way. In my opinion what Luke did had a much bigger impact on destroying the Sith, hence he is the Chosen One. It is that simple. I am not trying to discredit George Lucas or anything. I am simply saying that based on what I see in the movies, Luke seems to be more of the Chosen One.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>How are you in a position to better understand the story than the person who created the story? He's not just the story-teller, he's the story-creator, remember.

I am not in a better position to understand the story, nor have I said I am. Why put words in my mouth? I simply have my own opinion, it is that simple, like I explained above.
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Uncle george would agree that the movies are open to interpretation of wider issues and themes like the pointlessness of war, or the idea that power corrupts. I doubt he would agree that they are open for interpretation on matters like C-3PO is secretly a human being or 2 + 2 =5.

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Soontir Solo

11-21-2005, 10:26 AM

I imagine he would agree that "Who is the Chosen One?" can be open to interpretation.

Darth Badly

11-21-2005, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Nov 21 2005, 03:26 PM
I imagine he would agree that "Who is the Chosen One?" can be open to interpretation.
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I've already said - as have several others - that I doubt it very much. He's on record as saying that the entire series is really the story of Anakin who is the Chosen One.

Obi-Stu

11-21-2005, 03:46 PM

I thought we solved this a year ago or even further back.

R2D2 is the chosen one! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/artoo.gif

clarkson88

11-21-2005, 04:00 PM

lol. He has saved everyones life at least once. If it weren't for him, the amount of people who would be dead is huge.

Darth Badly

11-21-2005, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Obi-Stu@Nov 21 2005, 08:46 PM
I thought we solved this a year ago or even further back.

R2D2 is the chosen one! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/artoo.gif
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It's as good a guess as Luke.

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DarthVixen

11-21-2005, 04:34 PM

if u don´t care what gl says it´s fine, but as i said before if u think that luke destroyed the sith trough anakin, you can easily think that anakin destroyed the sith through his son, wich makes much more sense.

HE IS THE CHOSEN ONE, there´s no more to it.

JMAS

11-21-2005, 05:28 PM

Oooh, nice way turning their own argument against them DarthVixen style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wtg.gif

DarthVixen

11-21-2005, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by Darth Badly+Nov 18 2005, 11:58 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Badly @ Nov 18 2005, 11:58 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Soontir Solo@Nov 18 2005, 06:27 AM
In the movie it just says the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force, it doesn't say anything about being conceived by midi-chlorians.
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But does Luke even bring balance to the force??

After he gets rid of Vader and Palpy there is NO dark siders left.

Just Luke.

How is that balance?
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balance means good people win...

Darth Badly

11-22-2005, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by DarthVixen+Nov 22 2005, 12:08 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DarthVixen @ Nov 22 2005, 12:08 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by Darth Badly@Nov 18 2005, 11:58 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Soontir Solo@Nov 18 2005, 06:27 AM
In the movie it just says the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force, it doesn't say anything about being conceived by midi-chlorians.
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But does Luke even bring balance to the force??

After he gets rid of Vader and Palpy there is NO dark siders left.

Just Luke.

How is that balance?
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balance means good people win...
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That's what I thought, but it's not really 'balance' just good people winning.

queen of the darkside

11-22-2005, 02:24 AM

if you watch the special features on ROTS this question is answered...anakin is the chosen one he just had to turn bad to begin with...

Sargoth

11-22-2005, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by clarkson88@Nov 19 2005, 06:12 PM
The Jedi Order needed to be reorganised. Their code was inhibiting their ability to commune to the true will of the force. Only at the end did they see. Yoda repents in the novelisation over this. Okay so Order 66 had a lot to do with this, but I feel the code had a lot to do with Anakin's fall which in turn ment the 'inter regnum' of the Sith and the supposed destruction of the Jedi Order.
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Agreed. The Jedi Code was certainly out of line with "The Will of the Force". Their complacency and inability to adapt allowed the "Phantom Menace" to fester and grow, literally under their noses.

At the end of ROTS, Yoda - oldest, wisest, and most experienced of all the Jedi - learns something new. He learns that there is an element of the Force that allows for an ability that no Jedi had ever attained: Until Qui-Gon. Qui-Gon was the Maverick of the Jedi Order. Like his Master, Count Dooku, he was an idealist. He had no need for the archaic and disfunctional Jedi Code. He alone learned that the key to the Ultimate Power wasn't strict, codified regulations, but pure Compassion (from the novelization).

Compassion (or as Anakin would call it "Unconditional Love") is the key to another power: The power to throw off the bonds of the Dark Side. Both Yoda and Obi-wan consider Vader to be lost. It is only the unconditional love of a Son for his Father that convinced Luke to make one last, desperate effort to bring Anakin back. And in turn, it was a Father's compassion for his Son that "conquered Vader and his Emperor".

Luke destroyed neither Vader nor Palpatine. But he was the catalyst that set things in motion. In the end it was Anakin who made the choice. It was his choice, and his choice alone that caused his enslavement to the Dark Side. Likewise, it was his choice alone to defeat it.

Erick Landrider

11-23-2005, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by Soontir Solo@Nov 21 2005, 01:20 AM
JMAS:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Actually, if you look at the dialogue:

QUI-GON: A boy... his cells have the highest concentration of midi-chlorians I have seen in a life form. It is possible he was conceived by the midi-chlorians.
MACE WINDU: You're referring to the prophesy of the one who will bring balance to the Force...you believe it's this boy??

It was very clear that Qui-Gon's reference to Anakin being conceived by the midi-chlorians that made Mace knew he was referring to the prophecy. Therefore, it is blantantly clear that being conceived by the midi-chlorians/the Force was part of the prophcy of the Chosen One.

You believe the prophecy said specifically that the Chosen One would be a Jedi who was conceived by midi-chlorians? I doubt the prophecy would be that specific about that, and not specific at all about how balance would be made. You have to put that dialogue into context. Qui-Gon led up to that, it wasn't like that one line was all he said.

All we know for sure is that the prophecy said there would be one would rise up and bring balance to the force, that is all we know for sure. As far as we know the prophecy never specifically said the Chosen One would be conceived by midi-chlorians, otherwise I think the Jedi Master's would have believed it right off the bat, rather than be skeptical.
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You can't just omit that. you're saying that the conception by the Medi-chlorians has nothing to do with the prophesy. Don't just ignore it and think that it will go away.

If that was the case, then Mace wouldn't have made the next statement about the one who will bring balance to the force, without Quigon leading him that way.
Qui-gon would have had to explain that he thought the boy was the Chosen One. But it is apparently common knowledge that the one born of the Meid-chlorians will bring balance to the Force.

DarthVixen

11-24-2005, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by Darth Badly+Nov 22 2005, 01:27 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Badly @ Nov 22 2005, 01:27 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by DarthVixen@Nov 22 2005, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by Darth Badly@Nov 18 2005, 11:58 AM
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In the movie it just says the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force, it doesn't say anything about being conceived by midi-chlorians.
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But does Luke even bring balance to the force??

After he gets rid of Vader and Palpy there is NO dark siders left.

Just Luke.

How is that balance?
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balance means good people win...
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That's what I thought, but it's not really 'balance' just good people winning.
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as allways

packersfan

11-25-2005, 04:00 PM

Anakin was the chosen one. I doubted it myself at first and thought maybe it had been passed on to Luke, but upon further examination Anakin is the chosen one. He destroyed the Emperor, his master, and died himself, the apprentice. The Sith were no more. He didn't destroy the dark side, dark jedi still arose but he destroyed the Sith like the prophecy said.

Mark Skywalker

11-25-2005, 06:23 PM

Here's another reason Why I think Luke Skywalker is "The Chosen One".

... And in the time of greatest
despair there shall come a savior,
and he shall be known as:
THE SON OF THE SUNS."
Journal of the Whills, 3:127

* Luke also came from Tatooine (like his Father Anakin), the planet with two suns. Hence, Son of the Suns.

* Luke emerge in the time of greatest despair, namely during the time when the Galaxy was ruled by the Sith & The Galactic Empire , while his father appeared in a time of relative peace.

* Luke was The New Hope , He Destoryed The Death Star saving billions of lives .

* Luke Defeated Darth Vader, in doing so brought back his Father Anakin Skywalker (Never in the History of The Jedi before Luke, was a Jedi Knight able to bring back a fallen Jedi who became a Sith Lord, to The Light Side Of The Force.)

* It was Luke who encouraged his father to turn his back on the Emperor .

* Luke restored the Jedi Order.

Through this Luke, brougth the long awaited "balance" and can be characterized as The savior/ The Chosen One.

And if you go on to the EU,

Luke became a great and powerful Jedi Master,

Luke became more powerful than any other Jedi who ever lived, even his Father.

Luke became more wiser than Master Yoda .

Darth Badly

11-25-2005, 08:56 PM

Here's another reason why I think he isn't.

Err... the bloke that write and creates all this stuff says he isn't.

Err.. that's it.

Erick Landrider

11-25-2005, 08:57 PM

But you're basing that on text which never made any where near the movie.

And Lucas has talked about having R2 giving all of the information to the one who writes the Journal of the Whills, meaning it hasn't been writtin yet.

JMAS

11-26-2005, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Mark Skywalker+Nov 25 2005, 02:23 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mark Skywalker @ Nov 25 2005, 02:23 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>... And in the time of greatest
despair there shall come a savior,
and he shall be known as:
THE SON OF THE SUNS."
Journal of the Whills, 3:127
[/b]

Baseless. This is not cannon, nor can it even be considered Expanded Universe.

Originally posted by Mark Skywalker@Nov 25 2005, 02:23 PM
* Luke Defeated Darth Vader, in doing so brought back his Father Anakin Skywalker (Never in the History of The Jedi before Luke, was a Jedi Knight able to bring back a fallen Jedi who became a Sith Lord, to The Light Side Of The Force.)

What about Darth Revan from KOTOR?

Originally posted by Mark Skywalker@Nov 25 2005, 02:23 PM
* It was Luke who encouraged his father to turn his back on the Emperor .

But it was Vader who actually DID the turning against the Emperor and destroyed him.

Originally posted by Mark Skywalker@Nov 25 2005, 02:23 PM
* Luke restored the Jedi Order.

Luke became a great and powerful Jedi Master,

So? What does that have to do with the prophecy of the Chosen One?

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Luke became more powerful than any other Jedi who ever lived, even his Father.

Luke became more wiser than Master Yoda .
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Says who? And again, it has nothing to do with the prophecy.

packersfan

11-26-2005, 06:03 PM

Exactly. The prophesy apparently said that midicholorians would create the chosen one = Anakin. He would destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force = Anakin/Darth Vader destroyed the Emperor and in doing so died himself - the last SITH. He destroyed the two SITH, the master and apprentice. Dark JEDI followed but not SITH.

Luke was not the CHOSEN ONE. He helped the chosen one, it was his destiny to do that. Anakin could have fulfilled his path to destroying the SITH when Sidious revealed himself and Anakin had a blade to his face! But he fell and delayed the destruction until his son helped him finish the SITH.

walong

11-27-2005, 08:31 PM

Anakin was the Chosen One. Luke was the Alternate style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

Obi-Stu

11-28-2005, 08:46 AM

or the last hope...

Erick Landrider

11-28-2005, 02:26 PM

or a new hope...

Obi_Ben_Kenobi

12-01-2005, 08:45 PM

Or not important at all.

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Erick Landrider

12-01-2005, 08:50 PM

^this may be the most irrelevant, immature, and irritating post I've ever seen.

alew773

12-16-2005, 08:42 PM

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vaderxmas.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif hey all sorry i havent been around didnt have time so who is winning in this battle luke or anikin style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vaderxmas.gif

Erick Landrider

12-17-2005, 02:17 PM

Anakin is the concensus, but at the same time...well

Take a look for yourself.Craziness. (http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php?showtopic=16179) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/vaderxmas.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/leiaxmas.gif

Darth Kitana

12-18-2005, 07:05 PM

No, Anakin is the chosen one.

DarthVixen

12-19-2005, 06:23 PM

I think Chewbacca was the one who destroyed the Sith, everybody would be dead if it hadent been for him, so he is the chosen one.

Edgeomatic

12-20-2005, 01:05 AM

This really is the clearest aspect of Star Wars. Like prevous posters said before, GL said himself, Anakin is the Chosen One. If you want to make the arguement that Luke helped Anakin see the light side, thus making Luke the Chosen One. Just because he helped him see the light does not make him the Chosen One..

Erick Landrider

12-21-2005, 10:34 PM

Edge, the debate isn't between people like us who use reason and accept it when we're told rational explanations.

But, there are a lot of people (who havn't stuck around, oddly) who have decided to come to their own conclusions. Then, when they get countered by facts, they don't wnat ot give up their position and argue back just for the sake of being antagonistic. Look up the earlier discussions hear and you'll see what I mean.

BoHeDia

12-22-2005, 08:02 PM

to the questioner of this thread...of course he isnt...

lottoj

01-01-2006, 01:58 AM

Yes. Anakin is the chosen one.

Aside from that, the prophecy was that the Chosen One would bring 'balance to the force'. The assumption was made by the Jedi that that meant the Sith would be destroyed. If you look at the situation at the end of ROTS, there are two Jedi and two Sith. Pretty balanced, I'd say. Also, remember what Yoda says during ROTS. He makes the statement about the prophecy being misread. So destroying the Sith is not what made the Chosen One, the Chosen One. It was bringing balance to the force. Therefore, Luke can't be the Chosen One (aside from the fact that GL said he wasn't).

Just my two cents....

alew773

01-05-2006, 01:27 PM

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P.S. what is everyones fav clonetrooper

JMAS

01-05-2006, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by lottoj@Dec 31 2005, 09:58 PM
Aside from that, the prophecy was that the Chosen One would bring 'balance to the force'. The assumption was made by the Jedi that that meant the Sith would be destroyed. If you look at the situation at the end of ROTS, there are two Jedi and two Sith. Pretty balanced, I'd say. Also, remember what Yoda says during ROTS. He makes the statement about the prophecy being misread. So destroying the Sith is not what made the Chosen One, the Chosen One. It was bringing balance to the force. Therefore, Luke can't be the Chosen One (aside from the fact that GL said he wasn't).

Just my two cents....
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Except that George Lucas has also been quoted numerous times saying that balance isn't brought when Anakin becomes Darth Vader, leaving 2 Sith and 2 Jedi. Balance is brought to the Force when the Sith are wiped out.

Cassus Fett

01-05-2006, 06:27 PM

George Lucas stated on the ROTS documentary 'The Chosen One' that Anakin forfilled the prochecy after being redemed by Luke allowing Anakin to destroy the sith (Emperor Palpatine and himself, Darth Vader) becoming the good man he once was again bringing balance to the force.

lottoj

01-05-2006, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by JMAS@Jan 5 2006, 02:11 PM
Except that George Lucas has also been quoted numerous times saying that balance isn't brought when Anakin becomes Darth Vader, leaving 2 Sith and 2 Jedi. Balance is brought to the Force when the Sith are wiped out.
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Fair enough. If that's what GL meant when he wrote it, then he would know. I still like the idea of the Jedi inadvertently bringing about their own demise by mis-understanding the prophecy but apparently, I'm the only one that mis-understood it.

I'm not sure how wiping out the Sith is supposed to bring balance though. I'll have to dig up some of the quotes and commentary.

Obi-wannabe

01-06-2006, 12:45 AM

I like how the book deals with the prophecy. when Mace says how the jedi have had the light for all those years and the shadow of the Sith may just be the way to bring balance to a lopsided force. too much light. So really the chosen one could be Palpitine, from Mace's expalnation. But to take it one step further anakin skywalker destroyed palps, ending the dark times which would ultimately make him the chosen one. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/welcome.gif

mandalorian21

01-06-2006, 10:13 PM

Deltas right. He did complete the prophecy.

borgmatrix

01-06-2006, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by lottoj@Jan 6 2006, 03:06 AM
I'm not sure how wiping out the Sith is supposed to bring balance though.
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In thinking that balance would mean the number of Jedi equaling the number of Sith, you're assuming that each individual Jedi and Sith have equal effect on the Force. In this case, and maybe even in general, that isn't the case. During the prequels, the Sith were casting such a shadow over the Force that the entire Jedi Order numbering in the thousands was weakened. I think Sidious was so strong in the DS, his use of the Force threw things out of balance. The situation likely worsened with Anakin's fall to the DS, given his strength in the Force and evidenced by the tremor Yoda felt when Anakin became Vader. The Sith had to be destroyed to restore the balance.

Dark Helmet

01-07-2006, 02:38 AM

I thought Yoda felt the tremor because a butt load of jedi had just been slaughtered.

JMAS

01-07-2006, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by lottoj@Jan 6 2006, 03:06 AM
I'm not sure how wiping out the Sith is supposed to bring balance though.
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I'll repost one of my earlier statements from a few pages back

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The Sith are like a cancer that draws from and eats away at the balance of the Force. By eliminating the Sith, the cancer of the Force as it were, the Force is brought back into balance.
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borgmatrix

01-07-2006, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by Dark Helmet@Jan 7 2006, 06:38 AM
I thought Yoda felt the tremor because a butt load of jedi had just been slaughtered.
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He felt one twice. Once during the execution of Order 66, as you've noted, and once before then when Anakin pledged himself to Sidious.

Erick Landrider

01-07-2006, 08:52 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I like how the book deals with the prophecy. when Mace says how the jedi have had the light for all those years and the shadow of the Sith may just be the way to bring balance to a lopsided force. too much light. So really the chosen one could be Palpitine, from Mace's expalnation.[/b][/quote]

Well that depends on how you define "balance in the Force".

Some believe that it means that there were 2 Sith and 2 Jedi, which has some merit.

But the more widely accepted idea is that the Sith through the Force out of balance. Also the fact that the Jedi Order was weakened and was more of a pawn of the Senate, especially during the Clone War.

When Anakin killed Palpatine he destroyed the Sith and thus restored the blance of power.

Dark Helmet

01-08-2006, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by borgmatrix+Jan 7 2006, 07:41 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(borgmatrix @ Jan 7 2006, 07:41 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Dark Helmet@Jan 7 2006, 06:38 AM
I thought Yoda felt the tremor because a butt load of jedi had just been slaughtered.
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He felt one twice. Once during the execution of Order 66, as you've noted, and once before then when Anakin pledged himself to Sidious.
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i just watched that scene, and yes, you are correct.

DarkStar002

01-08-2006, 12:04 PM

Anakin did destroy the sith though even when he was one but then he turned to light again I hate endings like that but its in the script.

Erick Landrider

01-08-2006, 03:26 PM

What's your issue with the ending?

alew773

04-19-2006, 12:44 PM

whos winning this debate

LadySylvia

04-20-2006, 12:39 PM

If you want to believe that Luke is the Chosen One, be my guest.

As far as I'm concerned, Anakin is the Chosen One.

Anakin did destroy the sith though even when he was one but then he turned to light again I hate endings like that but its in the script.

Why? Why do you hate the fact of Anakin, as a Sith Lord, destroying the Sith?

MasterJedi12

04-21-2006, 02:33 PM

Anakin is the Chosen One and he does bring balance to the Force. Lucas himself says it in an interview on one of the DVDs. If that doesn't convince ya then I don't know what will.
Luke helped Anakin bring balance by destroying Darth Vader, the evil part of him. You could say that it was a father's love for his son that brought about the change.

MasterMickKenobi

04-28-2006, 06:16 AM

I think thats difficult do say because Anakin kills Palpatine but Luke brings balance to the force when he finds out that there is no light or dark sight. There is just the force and it depends on how the force is used.

The White Tuxedo

04-29-2006, 03:16 PM

I'd say it's Anakin. No question. It was always in his hands. Luke is a hero as well, and nearly as important. Obi-Wan too. But it is Anakin who makes the fateful decisions.

Luke is responsible for saving Anakin. But it's Anakin who destroys the Sith.

MasterJedi12

04-30-2006, 02:33 AM

Anakin is the Chosen One because the supreme being that created his character (George Lucas) said so.

Darth Octavious

05-03-2006, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by GeneralDirection@Nov 9 2005, 09:14 PM
"Anakin is the chosen one, and even when he becomes Darth Vader, he is still the chosen one" - George LucasQuoted post
End of Discussion. Over

bluemilk

05-03-2006, 08:27 PM

^so mote it be.

Anakin = Chosen One
Luke = the New Hope

:yoda:

edit: hmm, I wonder if that should be amended to Luke & Leia = the New Hope

Darth Anakin

05-20-2006, 02:44 PM

What are you thinking!!! :angry:

Anakin IS the chosen one!!!! :bop:

IndianaJim

05-23-2006, 01:02 PM

The Dark Side was evil, but the Jedi order was also corrupted by their own pride and self-importance. They never really lied but never really told the truth, either. If you read Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time, think the White Tower and the Aes Sedai.

Anakin brought the force back into balance by purging the Jedi as well as ultimately destroying the rest of the Sith. Luke was A New Hope not only for destroying the Sith but for restoring the Jedi, while also accepting that possession and love were okay. Sure, they drove Anakin mad, but that was because he was forced to be secretive which made him paranoid. Add to that the visions of her dying and Palpatine's temptations and you have fear leading to anger, anger leading to hate, hate leading to suffering.

Yay!

The White Tuxedo

05-23-2006, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by bluemilk+May 3 2006, 02:27 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bluemilk @ May 3 2006, 02:27 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>^so mote it be.

Anakin = Chosen One
Luke = the New Hope

:yoda:

edit: hmm, I wonder if that should be amended to Luke & Leia = the New Hope
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Maybe on the next DVD, it'll be changed to Episode IV - A Couple New Hopes.

<!--QuoteBegin-IndianaJim@May 23 2006, 07:02 AM
The Dark Side was evil, but the Jedi order was also corrupted by their own pride and self-importance. They never really lied but never really told the truth, either. If you read Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time, think the White Tower and the Aes Sedai.

Anakin brought the force back into balance by purging the Jedi as well as ultimately destroying the rest of the Sith. Luke was A New Hope not only for destroying the Sith but for restoring the Jedi, while also accepting that possession and love were okay. Sure, they drove Anakin mad, but that was because he was forced to be secretive which made him paranoid. Add to that the visions of her dying and Palpatine's temptations and you have fear leading to anger, anger leading to hate, hate leading to suffering.

Yay!
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That's what I wondered, if purging the Jedi was really what Anakin was supposed to do as part of being the Chosen One. I've looked at as he was corrupted by Palpatine who saw a bigger picture than most Jedi, and saw what Anakin could be used for. Notice I say "used". I definately agree that Luke brought a broader understanding that it was okay to love as a Jedi. The Sith used one of the Jedi's attributes, patience, to defeat the. The Jedi did the same with love and passion.

I've never had a philosophy class, so I may be full of poodoo.

MasterJedi12

05-25-2006, 03:42 PM

I wonder if anyone looked at the Sith version of the same prophecy. It said that the Sith'ari would come and lead the Sith but be of great power or something like that.

doctor clu

05-31-2006, 03:20 PM

I think in this, it was Anakin who brought balance to the force in multiple ways.

Anakin helped bring down both the Jedi, and in the end, the Sith.

Anakin sired a son that would walk the middle between light & dark.

So Anakin cleared the existing, and after he was gone, made basically a grey jedi possible.

MagicianCamille

06-02-2006, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by doctor clu@May 31 2006, 11:20 AM
I think in this, it was Anakin who brought balance to the force in multiple ways.

Anakin helped bring down both the Jedi, and in the end, the Sith.

Anakin sired a son that would walk the middle between light & dark.

So Anakin cleared the existing, and after he was gone, made basically a grey jedi possible.
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Umm, what? Luke couldn't have been more of a servant of the light. In ROTJ throughout the EU he was always filled with the light side of the force(Not counting Dark Empire, where he was tainted by a Sidious clone, if you even consider that canon). Especially during the Jedi Academy series where he taught his students to be cautious of the dark side, and to always follow the light. Grey Jedi...right.

thepepgal

06-02-2006, 10:33 AM

Umm, what? Luke couldn't have been more of a servant of the light. In ROTJ throughout the EU he was always filled with the light side of the force(Not counting Dark Empire, where he was tainted by a Sidious clone, if you even consider that canon). Especially during the Jedi Academy series where he taught his students to be cautious of the dark side, and to always follow the light. Grey Jedi...right.

He falls to the dark side and comes back. If you have read Dark Nest trilogy he does use more dark side force in these books than before. So he preaches the light but uses some of the dark hence a grey jedi. Even Yoda may be considered grey since he controlled force lightning during the films without the aide of a lightsaber.

Darth Zalus

06-03-2006, 04:12 AM

Vader killed sidious which in turned killed him
nuff said

Balnazzar

10-14-2006, 03:31 PM

Yoda repeld Sith`s lightening because of his great knowledge of the force and nothing else.
And there are no such things as dark and light forces, it all depends on how you use them.
At least this is my opinion.

Fish1941

11-14-2006, 03:32 PM

Luke couldn't have been more of a servant of the light. In ROTJ throughout the EU he was always filled with the light side of the force(Not counting Dark Empire, where he was tainted by a Sidious clone, if you even consider that canon).

Then Luke must have been just as blind as the old Jedi Masters in the PT, if he was always filled with the light side of the force. Not a situation I want to be in.

And there are no such things as dark and light forces, it all depends on how you use them. At least this is my opinion.

I agree.

alew773

02-07-2007, 03:01 PM

all right everyt one let me change the i first posted this. lets say that if GL had not said who the choosen one is. who would you have choosen for the role of choosen one? without any thing from GL

P.S. let revive this it cant die that easily

P.S. when did i become a senior member

bruciarsi

02-08-2007, 03:27 AM

I think anakin was the chosen one. Everything he does lends up bringing an eventual balance to the force if not a slight tilt to the light side. When he dies there is basically only one powerful force user left that being Luke. Luke is the jedi that dresses much like a sith. He believed one can be brought back from the darkside something most jedi would never believe. I believe he even used a force choke on 1 of jabbas Gammorrean guards. I believe he is a better jedi for some of these things he embraces and that the battle to save his father the choosen one brings many of these about such as the cloud city incident draws him away from completly more jedi training.

Kam Solusar

02-08-2007, 09:29 AM

I thought Lucas mentioned somewhere, like a commentary or an interview, that Anakin was most definitely the Chosen One? That it was one of those "double edged" type of prophecies, or whatever, and that when he chucked Palpatine down the shaft, he fulfilled that destiny.

Cassus Fett

02-08-2007, 09:46 AM

The Chosen One is Anakin... end of story.

alew773

02-08-2007, 04:33 PM

all right everyt one let me change the i first posted this. lets say that if GL had not said who the choosen one is. who would you have choosen for the role of choosen one? without any thing from GL

lovelucas

02-08-2007, 04:58 PM

George said Anakin was the chosen one…
That’s all we need to know. You can only change a story if YOU wrote that story.

alew773

02-12-2007, 04:45 PM

hypathedly speaking WHO DO YOU THINK

Kam Solusar

02-12-2007, 06:07 PM

Anakin, Anakin, a thousand times Anakin.

lovelucas

02-13-2007, 03:26 PM

exactly -
The chosen one was always referenced as the one chosen to bring balance to The Force - and that happened with the death of Sidious who was assisted kicking and screaming, in that leap by Anakin

alew773

02-13-2007, 04:02 PM

Jedi Master Harrison

02-13-2007, 04:39 PM

^ I suppose you could argue Luke was the Chosen One from a certain point of view, but ultimately, despite Luke's influence, it was Anakin who brought balance to the force.

Kam Solusar

02-13-2007, 05:19 PM

i understand that it is REF that anikin is the choosen one but lets say if no one had REF'ed the prop. with out any goading does with the evidences in the movies and books could it be possible that luke was the choosen one?

Anakin, Anakin, a thousand times Anakin. I could say that a million times, and I might just have to do so. But the moment I saw Phantom Menace, and they talked about that prophecy, I knew what Lucas was going for.

lovelucas

02-15-2007, 01:19 PM

Anakin, Anakin, a thousand times Anakin. I could say that a million times, and I might just have to do so. But the moment I saw Phantom Menace, and they talked about that prophecy, I knew what Lucas was going for.

That's really good......and takes me back to the first time I saw TPM. Wish I could start all over again in 1999

Dark Helmet

10-26-2007, 02:56 AM

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RollaFett

10-26-2007, 11:37 AM

Dude, what's with your typing. Or are you trying for pig-latin?

Orandhite

10-26-2007, 11:41 AM

^^ Someone had a few (too many?) Vodkas last night.

RollaFett

10-26-2007, 11:53 AM

And for once, it wasn't me.

Tovor

10-26-2007, 03:49 PM

Kam Solusar

11-01-2007, 02:53 PM

Another point to be made is that, if you want to believe that Luke is the Chosen One because of some his actions, think about this:

Anakin sires Luke, literally. He brought Luke in to the world, so anything Luke does can easily be traced to Anakin. He fathered Luke, which helped bring balance to the Force. Without Anakin...no Luke.

Jedi Master Harrison

11-01-2007, 03:04 PM

It has been argued in some quarters that Darth Plagueis created Anakin. Maybe he is the chosen one! Just having some fun. :wink:

Lord Tesla

11-01-2007, 03:50 PM

It has been argued in some quarters that Darth Plagueis created Anakin. Maybe he is the chosen one! Just having some fun. :wink:

Yes, Plagueis...

Actually, in that connection, Plagueis would be...the UnHoly Spirit. If Sith could manage the whole luminous blue afterlife trick, for which there is no evidence.

As to the question in the thread-title:

No. Why would the Force choose Luke, when there's a perfectly good--okay, slightly damaged--demi-god standing around in the form of Anakin?

If you look at his record, almost everything Luke tries, he fails. Or achieves indirectly in a fashion totally other than what he planned. Tally up the crashes, the bungled rescues, the failures to get through to his father, and set them against...blowing up the Death Star. And even that required help from the disembodied voice of Obi-Wan Kenobi (to say noting of a timely intervention from Han Solo).

Does that seem like a record that shouts "Chosen One!"?

Raganork8

11-28-2007, 03:18 PM

If one believes Luke is the Chosen one then they must also be ready to accept Leia as part of that title as well.

Coyote850

11-28-2007, 03:42 PM

If one believes Luke is the Chosen one then they must also be ready to accept Leia as part of that title as well.
Great point. For all the Chosen One talk amonst the Jedi, I just don't see it. They claim that the Chosen One will bring "balance to the Force". What exactly is the benefit of balancing the Force?

jedimasterElizabeth

11-28-2007, 03:47 PM

They maybe are the Chosen One.

Through out my studies, I had learn that the Chosen One were Luke and Leia. They have everything as in the prophey mentioned. Both of them bring balance to the Force.

But George Lucas himself has stated that Anakin is the Chosen One, although Luke indirectly served as the catalyst that allowed Anakin to fulfill the prophecy.

Lord Tesla

11-28-2007, 03:47 PM

If one believes Luke is the Chosen one then they must also be ready to accept Leia as part of that title as well.

How so? They're not identical twins, and DNA isn't destiny, anyway, even if they were. When the Force said "Chosen One," I think the Force meant it.

:yoda:

Raganork8

11-28-2007, 03:55 PM

Well what I meant by that was:

As much as Luke is a part of Anakin's final choice to destroy Palpatine; Leia is what ultimately seems to drive Luke for the majority of the films. in ANH he wants to rescue her; in TESB, he wants to rescue her and in ROTJ he wants to rescue her and preserve her in the sense that she has not become part of this higher Jedi/Sith Conflict. Hence his anger at Vader's proposition of changing her to the darkside. In that sense, both the brother and the sister are halves in the prophecy.

For those of whom who believe Luke is the chosen one because he is the catalyst to Vader/Anakin's change; they have to use their same formula for Luke's reasonings in even starting the quest in the first place.

As for the Balance...

Balance is ESSENTIAL; and to prove this we got the entire movie of ROTS. The Jedi were simple minded and unable to see that power sometimes outweighs thought.

Whereas the Jedi focused solely on the War they failed to actively try to Locate the sith and Destroy them because it's against the Jedi Code. This idea will hark back to the Thread of "What was Mace Supposed To Do?". In that scene he is ready to kill Palpatine and anakin uses the excuse that it is not the Jedi way, which is true, and in the hesitation of the "Jedi Way" Mace is destroyed and the Sith rule the Galaxy.

On the opposite end of that; the sith are too greedy to able to maintain order, one comes along and wants to kill the higher and so on and so forward; the get so stuck in this trend that they fail to see that Anakin is having serious doubts about what to do with his son and eventually destroys Palpatine.

Balance works in a way we've seen in every movie.

TPM: Obi Wan's Anger and Fear of Qui Gon's Death gives him the drive he needs to destroy Darth Maul

AOTC: Obi Wan, Anakin and Yoda's Failure to simply Kill Count Dooku without Mercy or hesistation leads to his escape and the commencement of the Clone Wars.

ROTS: The Jedi's lack of focus and Drive to Kill Palpatine allows for him to name himself Emperor and extinguish the majority of their kind

ANH: Luke's anger towards the Empire is the final push that gets him into Jedihood

TESB: Luke's silliness and rashness gets himself unarmed and almost killed

ROTJ: Luke's Anger at the Leia comment brings Vader to and end and eventually to the destruction of Palpatine.

See the trend?

Darth Nameless

11-29-2007, 06:42 PM

ok here is a view i have yet to hear...palpatine said that the sith were also aware of the chosen one...whos to say that plagus didnt read that and created anakin to throw off the jedi...maybe the real chosen one has yet to come

Raganork8

11-29-2007, 07:02 PM

Why would he do that?

Luke embodies none of the characteristics of the chosen one.

Darth Nameless

11-29-2007, 07:56 PM

i agree...luke doesnt embody the traits of the chosen one...alls im saying is that anakin isnt either...perhaps the chosen one hasnt come along yet

Raganork8

11-29-2007, 09:27 PM

i agree...luke doesnt embody the traits of the chosen one...alls im saying is that anakin isnt either...perhaps the chosen one hasnt come along yet

why do you think Anakin isn't?

Darth Nameless

11-30-2007, 12:47 AM

just the way palpatine worded it...i believe he said that the sith always knew about the jedi prophicy...well once plagus figured out how to create life, he forced the prophicy, which to me says that it hasnt been fullfilled...but i could be way off base here lol

Raganork8

11-30-2007, 09:32 AM

just the way palpatine worded it..

I'll need something more concrete; where has Anakin not fulfilled the Prophecy.

lovelucas

11-30-2007, 11:36 AM

difficult to see -
but good question - we only know the story that George has told and each episode begins with us jumping in the middle of a crisis, with the good guys losing so something is defnitely out of kilter if the Force represents the strength and goodness of the lightside.
The key word is bringing balance. IMO we learn during the prequel era that the Jedi themselves were going through a crisis that paralleled that of the Republic and that they contributed to the downhill slide with their detachment and their inability to understand that the galaxy was changing. Which is very ironic when you remember the conversation Padme has with Anakin in the deleted scene (AOTC)set in her bedroom at her family home...she says, regarding those motion photos on the wall that the critters she is hugging all died due to their inability to adapt to change.

but the Chosen One? That is Anakin - from the Maker himself.

Darth Revenge

01-17-2008, 06:00 PM

Anaikan Skywalker is the chosen one not his son Luke brought Anaikan back to the light side to be the chosen one, or as they said in the movie that maybe they had just misread the prophecy.

Raganork8

01-25-2008, 04:53 PM

Yoda

01-25-2008, 06:01 PM

everyone knows that vader is the chosen one

Kam Solusar

01-25-2008, 09:08 PM

everyone knows that vader is the chosen one

Well, technically, it was Anakin... ;)

And you'd think everyone knows that but you should read the thread and learn otherwise, unfortunately. Even in the face of the man who wrote the darn thing saying outright who the Chosen One was, they choose to interpret it differently.

Jedi Master Harrison

01-25-2008, 10:52 PM

Artoo is the chosen one. :wink: :lol:

Raganork8

01-25-2008, 11:01 PM

Artoo is the chosen one. :wink: :lol:

He did save everyone.

Darth Nameless

01-27-2008, 02:27 AM

and he is the only one to survive all eras

Rabid Whiphid

01-27-2008, 06:16 AM

This is one of those things where I wish the line in the movie had been written a little less specific, and a little more ambiguous. Like if it had been written to say that the Chosen One is destined "to BRING ABOUT the destruction of the Sith" rather than saying outright that Anakin IS the Chosen One and that the Chosen One is destined to "destroy the Sith".

Just a slightly different wording, would allow future audiences to wonder if the Jedi Prophecy really refers to Anakin or to Anakin's offspring. Future audiences, watching the films for the first time in numerical order (1-6, rather than 4,5,6, and then 1,2,3 as we did), would naturally assume the Prophecy had been misread and that it must refer to Luke, right up until the ending of "Return of the Jedi", making it an even bigger suprise when Vader is the one who saves the day.