View Full Version : TV/MOVIES: Firefly/Serenity
JediTrilobite
02-12-2004, 10:13 PM
Has anyone here seen the since cancelled show Firefly? If so, what did you think of it?
Spacehunter24
02-12-2004, 10:38 PM
Awesome! I loved FIREFLY and was royally ticked off when Fox murdered it. You don't air episodes in random order when the show contains arching storylines and such. I've been watching the DVDs over and over, and I can't wait for the movie that Joss Whedon is going to direct. He's said in interviews, "I'm not done with FIREFLY. I won't let it die like Fox tried to do." Captain Mal Reynolds is one tough S.O.B.
Rogue_0009
02-13-2004, 09:20 AM
<span style="color:red">I thought it was cool, especially how they took the whole 'spce western' concept and came up with something original where they could have easily just knocked of Cowboy Bebop, Trigun or Outlaw Star.</span>
bodegage
02-13-2004, 06:36 PM
Yes I loved this show, and own the DVD series. I liked the Reevers in the one episode. Neat baddies in my opinion. If you watch them in order, not the horribly out of place way Fox aired them with the first episode airing like in it's seventh week, it flow kind of. I can't explain it but it was obvious the writers took careful construction while planning the series. It flow beautifully. If you're a fan pick up the DVD and watch teh episodes chronologically. Makes it ten times better than when aired on TV!
Spacehunter24
02-13-2004, 06:57 PM
Joss Whedon has said that the Reevers may very possibly be the villains of the movie. He did a Q&A late last year, and someone asked if he'd give any clues as to what we could expect in the movie, and he replied, "All I'll say is 'Reevers.'" Gets me excited thinking of the possibilities. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/bigsmile.gif
Ripley the Warmaster
03-18-2005, 11:24 PM
<span style="color:blue">This show is like crack. Very addicting. Easily my second favourite sci-fi, next to the Alien series. Kinda funny because the characters of the show are loosely based off the pirates from Alien Resurrection, especially Mal and the Hero of Canton.</span>
Spacehunter24
03-18-2005, 11:50 PM
Yeah, I never realized the similarities between them and the gang from ALIEN RESURRECTION until I read it in a review somewhere. Then I was like, "Oh, yeah, I can see it now." Too bad Michael Wincott didn't have a part on the show. Then FIREFLY would have really rocked. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
Brian
03-19-2005, 12:22 AM
Didn't Joss Whedon write Alien Resurrection, anyhow?
Ripley the Warmaster
03-19-2005, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by Brian@Mar 18 2005, 09:22 PM
Didn't Joss Whedon write Alien Resurrection, anyhow?
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goodwije
03-19-2005, 12:04 PM
there is hardly any news out there since the announcement of the delay.. grrr
btw, talk about a franchise that caters to fans and fan groups a whole huge part of the official movie website is dedicated to "the browncoats" pretty cool http://www.serenitymovie.com/
BobPalpatine
04-28-2005, 04:06 PM
Serenity Trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/serenity/)
OMFG! I'm so psyched about this. This is one of the movies I'm going to go insane waiting over. It's in my top three to see this summer.
I hope it does well. That way maybe it will get picked up as a tv show again. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
goodwije
04-28-2005, 09:46 PM
Bob.. your a Firefly fan too? see i knew there was something i liked about you.
BobPalpatine
04-29-2005, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by goodwije@Apr 28 2005, 06:46 PM
Bob.. your a Firefly fan too? see i knew there was something i liked about you.
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Dude I love it! I got a couple of friends (kevin one of them) hooked on it a while ago (the bastid took 8 months to get me my DVDs back though). It had some of the best production values I had ever seen in a tv show. That and it was damn funny.
The trailer suprised me a little bit with some of the stuff. Overall it looks good and looks like it might be something that draws at least a decent audience. I'm trying to get as many people as possible to watch the DVDs before the movie comes out so there will be more fans out there.
In my email today also I got a thing from Joss and the official site saying that there will be 10 screenings for fans across the country 2 or 3 months before the actual release date. None of them are that close to me though. Although I kind of want to try and do it. Might have to be another roadtrip for me this summer. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
Trilogist
04-29-2005, 12:23 AM
Haha ... my favorite episode was "Our Mrs. Reynolds"! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue2.gif
Didn't someone big in SCi-fi say this was the best Science Fiction series of all time? And that's with half a season lol.
14 million for a pilot episode is what killed this movie. Foc just sucks at keeping there good things (they might cancel Arrested Development...the morons).
BobPalpatine
04-29-2005, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by Mann@Apr 28 2005, 09:26 PM
Didn't someone big in SCi-fi say this was the best Science Fiction series of all time? And that's with half a season lol.
14 million for a pilot episode is what killed this movie. Foc just sucks at keeping there good things (they might cancel Arrested Development...the morons).
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*off topic but what the hell*
I read the other day that Arrested Development has been picked up for one last chance.
goodwije
04-29-2005, 12:49 PM
I aint bought the dvd's yet.. but i shall someday.. and i need too because i still haven't seen all the episodes all the way through.
DarthSolo
04-29-2005, 01:18 PM
^cancel arrested? NO! CURSES!
back on topic: saw the trailer for this at Hitchhiker's Guide last night and wow am i drawn in. i didnt get a chance to watch the show, but this looks really good! i need to get my hands on the tv series.
goodwije
04-29-2005, 01:47 PM
you mean the trailer for serenity? that is the movie based off of firefly
goodwije
04-29-2005, 01:50 PM
oh wait now i get it, you saw the trailer for serenity when you went to see hitchhiker's.. i'm slow sometimes
BobPalpatine
04-29-2005, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by goodwije@Apr 29 2005, 09:49 AM
I aint bought the dvd's yet.. but i shall someday.. and i need too because i still haven't seen all the episodes all the way through.
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You gotta see all of them. They are all just damn amazing. I've found the DVDs used as low as $25. Just look around your stores that allow trade ins and I'm sure you'll find a deal on it.
Galahad_Skywalker
07-09-2005, 05:41 PM
A friend at school loaned me his set while he borrowed one of my Dark Tower books, but I only got through Jaynestown before the school year ended, and since I've been struggling with whether or not I want to buy the DVDs myself. I finally decided the other day that I will, since I should have the extra money floating around soon. I love the Western theme, because it makes you forget it's sci-fi, something I've never been able to take in its pure form.
My favorite moment so far...in the pilot, when Mal walks right up to the Alliance agent who's making threats, and without hesitation blasts him through the head.
BobPalpatine
07-29-2005, 11:02 PM
New Trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/serenity/trailer_2/large.html)
The second trailer is out for Serenity. It's a longer trailer with a little more action in it. I can't wait for this flick.
Jjm3233
07-30-2005, 12:04 PM
Don't forget the recently released International Trailer (http://www.cantstopthesignal.co.uk/trailer/).
Brian
08-01-2005, 09:08 PM
Anyone checking out the comic series that serves as the prequel to the film? Dark Horse is publishing them. Number 1 (of 3) came out a couple weeks ago. Number 2 should be out Wednesday. Joss Whedon co-wrote the 3-issue series (like he did for several Buffy comics) so it is pretty much gonna be good.
Serenity #1 (of 3) (Hitch Cover) (http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=10-845)
Serenity #1 (of 3) (Jones Cover) (http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=10-844)
Serenity #1 (of 3) (Cassaday Cover) (http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=10-755)
Serenity #2 (of 3) (Chen Cover) (http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=10-847)
Serenity #2 (of 3) (Quesada Cover) (http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=10-846)
Serenity #2 (of 3) (Bradstreet Cover) (http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=10-756)
Serenity #3 (of 3) (Phillips Cover) (http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=10-757)
Serenity #3 (of 3) (Middleton Cover) (http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=10-849)
Serenity #3 (of 3) (Yu Cover) (http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=10-848)
Jjm3233
08-01-2005, 09:13 PM
I plan to, but I haven't been by a comic store in a month.
BobPalpatine
08-02-2005, 12:22 AM
I have the first issue on hold for me. I don't plan on reading them until the movie is out though. I don't want to spoil it for myself.
Brian
08-03-2005, 01:14 AM
I need to finish watching the show, actually--I've only seen a couple episodes. Then I'll read the comics, then see the movie.
Darth Star
08-05-2005, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by Galahad_Skywalker@Jul 9 2005, 12:41 PM
My favorite moment so far...in the pilot, when Mal walks right up to the Alliance agent who's making threats, and without hesitation blasts him through the head.
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I hope that you won't be too disapointed when they make a special edition and the agent shoots first. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
Nathan Butler
08-08-2005, 02:12 AM
The comic series isn't too bad. It feels like an episode of the show, I suppose, which is good. The likenesses range from great to way off.
From what I can tell, it seems like the comic's only real purpose is to fill in the one major gap left when the series ended, before seeing the film. That is, who are the "hands of blue" gents? And, why did many of Jayne's shirts seem to advertise the "Blue Sun" corporation?
I'm thinking that without some kind of explanation about Blue Sun, there are gonna be some folks seeing the movie thinking "wha???" because Whedon never got a chance to explain it in the TV series.
goodwije
08-23-2005, 06:45 PM
I am digging the previews that they are showing on Sci-fi every friday during the showing of Firefly. Although most seem to be centered around River going all kick ass i the weapons free bar. All in all though, it looks good. I didn't know about the comic, i am not really a comic guy but i think i might check it out.
Jjm3233
09-05-2005, 10:58 PM
Anyone else pick up the novelization?
It's kind of funny. I think it was in late 2000 or early 2001, my wife and I were walking through the mall, and we were asked to do a survey that would take about half an hour and we'd get paid like 5 bucks each. We said, sure, what the heck. My wife's survey was about some magazine. Mine however was testing the reaction for a potential new TV show. What they called a Sci-Fi western. I got to see about 15 minutes of the test show. I LOVED IT! I thought it was awesome and really hoped it would make it to TV. That was the last I heard. We moved and didn't have cable for a couple years, so I never knew that the show I previewed, was released, however briefly as Firefly. A friend just loaned me the DVD set. I've got about 6 more episodes to finish it.
In a way, I'm glad I didn't know about it until now. Had I watched it on TV, and then had it cut the way it was, I'd have been PO'd. Now, I get to watch the entire thing, in the order that Josh Whedon wanted them seen. And now, to top it off, I only have a month to wait before Serenity comes to the big screen.
So far, I'd have to say, my favorite episode is Our Mrs Reynolds
goodwije
09-07-2005, 03:11 PM
i think that was last week's sci-fi episode the one that starts with mal and jane on the wagon and mal is dressed like a woman right?
Jjm3233
09-07-2005, 11:02 PM
Yes, it is. I love Book's "Special Level of Hell" bit.
I love both Wash and Mal's reactions to Saffron's "stories" right before she takes them out.
Mal: "Oh, good bible."
Wash: "Oh, good myth."
Tresk Im'nel
09-11-2005, 05:05 AM
Originally posted by Darth Star@Aug 5 2005, 09:03 AM
I hope that you won't be too disapointed when they make a special edition and the agent shoots first. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
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Originally posted by Jjm3233@Sep 5 2005, 05:58 PM
Anyone else pick up the novelization?
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Not yet, but I plan to. I haven't seen any episodes of Firefly, but I'm interested... I'm also probably going to get the comic book adaptation.
Kaken Osmex
09-23-2005, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by BobPalpatine@Aug 1 2005, 10:22 PM
I have the first issue on hold for me. I don't plan on reading them until the movie is out though. I don't want to spoil it for myself.
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You can read the comics and not spoil the movie Bob. In fact, your probably should read the comics before going to the movie.
I also heard that there is a Firefly pen and paper RPG either very close to release or just released.
On another note, anyone who is into getting podcasts should check out the signal. It's all about Serenity and Firefly, I like it a lot. Go to http://www.serenityfirefly.com
Seven days and counting, my wife and I just finished a run of the whole series and it was even better the second time around for me.
Rogue_0009
09-24-2005, 02:54 PM
<span style="color:red">I've been watching the trailers continously for days! I can't wait for this movie!!!</span>
Jediwan
09-24-2005, 03:04 PM
Me neither
Kaken Osmex
09-24-2005, 04:00 PM
I really want to know what will be resolved in the movie. I would love to know more about Book's past.
Originally posted by Nathan Butler@Aug 8 2005, 12:12 AM
From what I can tell, it seems like the comic's only real purpose is to fill in the one major gap left when the series ended, before seeing the film. That is, who are the "hands of blue" gents? And, why did many of Jayne's shirts seem to advertise the "Blue Sun" corporation?
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ok I just finished the series like last night and I agree it is great but what nathan said above really shined a light on why river cut Jayne in the Episode where he sells them out. I'm sorry if this was somthing obvious that I missed till now but, if he was wearing one of those Shirts that said blue Sun Corp on it and it was the corp that messed with her head then that is why she cut him. That part always bothered me ya River was alittle off her rocker that was plain to see but she never got violent with the crew till then and I never could figure out why, till now.
ok I know I'm a new member here but I see this forum as a place for all of us to get together and share things we love cause it has been my experience that Star Wars fans are really not all that different from one another. Anyway I have to make a Push for this wonderful TV show called Firefly if you haven't seen it then you need to and there is also a Movie coming out based on this show called Serinity. The charcters are great and the writeing for the show anyway is wonderful I'm hoping the movie lives up to the TV show, anyway I'm making this plug in hopes that some of you will look around on the internet and decide to go see this movie. The series was origanly aired on Fox and the idoits there didn't understand the show and so they cancelled it after only 15 episodes how ever never underestimate the power of rabid Sci-Fi fans style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif .
Due to great DVD sells of those episodes and underground fan base this movie got made I'm pushing to have any oue who loves Sci-Fi to go see it. Even if you don't you might chekc it out. My wife likes Sci-Fi mainly because I watch it so much but after only 2 episodes of this show I had even her hooked. anyway check it out if nothing else rent the DVDs I happen to know for a fact they have them on Netflix style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif .
Just a sugestion from one Star Wars/Sci-Fi Fanboy to the rest. OBTW love the Forum and Chrono Radio rules I listen to it all the time(when my boss isn't looking). Keep up the good work.
TuskenRaider1
09-26-2005, 03:02 PM
Have to say, my buddy lent me the season on DVD, and I really got into it. Finished it this weekend so Id be up to speed for the movie next week. Should be great. I loved the western/sci-fi combo, and the wit in the dialogue. Some complained about the predictable nature of the series scripts, but I thought it was a great way to blow an hour, certainly better than most of the stuff on TV these days. I was out of the country when it premiered, or else Id be one of the ones writing to FOX not to cancel it. Anyone else looking forward to this?
Kaken Osmex
09-26-2005, 03:37 PM
And, why did many of Jayne's shirts seem to advertise the "Blue Sun" corporation?
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ok I just finished the series like last night and I agree it is great but what nathan said above really shined a light on why river cut Jayne in the Episode where he sells them out. I'm sorry if this was somthing obvious that I missed till now but, if he was wearing one of those Shirts that said blue Sun Corp on it and it was the corp that messed with her head then that is why she cut him. That part always bothered me ya River was alittle off her rocker that was plain to see but she never got violent with the crew till then and I never could figure out why, till now.
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First off welcome!! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/welcome.gif
Next I would like to say I can't freaking believe I never thought off that. Thanks for the information and keep flying!
Have to say, my buddy lent me the season on DVD, and I really got into it. Finished it this weekend so Id be up to speed for the movie next week. Should be great. I loved the western/sci-fi combo, and the wit in the dialogue. Some complained about the predictable nature of the series scripts, but I thought it was a great way to blow an hour, certainly better than most of the stuff on TV these days. I was out of the country when it premiered, or else Id be one of the ones writing to FOX not to cancel it. Anyone else looking forward to this?
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Welcome to the Browncoats TuskenRaider1 style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wtg.gif
My wife and I are going to be going as soon as we can to see it, I can't wait!!
I have allways been a sci fi fan but I can say that I have not enjoyed ssci fi as much as I have with Firefly and the new BSG since the days of Star Wars. I am as excited to see Serenity as I was to see Episode III. I am glad to see that there are fellow Browncoats who also love Star Wars.
TuskenRaider1
09-26-2005, 03:40 PM
Yeah, my wife isnt a big sci-fi fan per se, but she watched an ep with me while we had lunch, and then asked if Id wait for her to watch the rest, now she wants to see the movie a ton too!
Good good series, bet it would do great on Sci-Fi in teh right time-slot...
Well I just order the comics (style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif )and I'm hoping they get here this week kinda looking forward to reading them since they are supossed to bridge the series and the movie.
Kaken Osmex
09-26-2005, 06:28 PM
The comics were good, the main purpose of them is to cover some important material that wasn't (able to be) covered in the show. I am very curious about Joss' work on the X-Men comics after reading these. I got the Mal, Kaylee and Wash covers when I got mine.
Has anyone had a chance to listen to the podcast that I linked to earlier (The Signal (http://signal.serenityfirefly.com/signal.php)) it is worth it just for the how to speak Chinese segment!
My wife was the same way TuskenRaider1, she likes Sci-Fi but is more of a fantasy lady. I rented the first disc from Netflix, watched Serenity (the pilot) and imeadiatly bought the boxed set. She was hessitant at first but I twisted her arm to watch them and now she is in love with them.
I can't remember if I mentioned the R.Tam sessions to anyone here yet, it was a collection of shorts that Summer Glau and Joss did that has someone interviewing River about her time at school (The R.Tam Sessions (http://www.session416.com/)) check it out before the movie.
Wow thanks for that link Kaken. Those clips of river were great I really got into I Love Bees which was a Halo2 marketing campaign with the same type of aspects only it was audio files and better then the actual game sadly enough. I'm getting more pumped up about this movie every gorram day. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
DarthAnakin
09-27-2005, 04:04 AM
Very much looking forward to seeing this movie.
Whitesaber
09-27-2005, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Kaken Osmex@Sep 26 2005, 03:28 PM
The comics were good, the main purpose of them is to cover some important material that wasn't (able to be) covered in the show. I am very curious about Joss' work on the X-Men comics after reading these. I got the Mal, Kaylee and Wash covers when I got mine.
Has anyone had a chance to listen to the podcast that I linked to earlier (The Signal (http://signal.serenityfirefly.com/signal.php)) it is worth it just for the how to speak Chinese segment!
My wife was the same way TuskenRaider1, she likes Sci-Fi but is more of a fantasy lady. I rented the first disc from Netflix, watched Serenity (the pilot) and imeadiatly bought the boxed set. She was hessitant at first but I twisted her arm to watch them and now she is in love with them.
I can't remember if I mentioned the R.Tam sessions to anyone here yet, it was a collection of shorts that Summer Glau and Joss did that has someone interviewing River about her time at school (The R.Tam Sessions (http://www.session416.com/)) check it out before the movie.
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Ohhh! A fellow Serenity podcast listener!
I'm psyched about the movie and I'm totally seeing it like 200 times, I swear. You can't stop the signal. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yeah.gif
Kaken Osmex
09-28-2005, 01:49 AM
I looooooves me some Signal. I hope they keep doing the show regularly after the movie comes out, it will suck not having them in my normal rotation.
tarkins ghost
09-28-2005, 03:20 AM
A friend of mine saw a sneak preview of Serenity a few hours ago, and she told me in succession, "OMG...OMG...OMG...OMG...Wow...OMG". I think she liked it.
Kaken Osmex
09-28-2005, 12:55 PM
I have to wait until Monday, I am going to burst! (Being as fat as I am thats not a pretty thought either)
Jjm3233
09-28-2005, 08:20 PM
Just got to make it to Friday evening . . .
Originally posted by TuskenRaider1@Sep 26 2005, 10:40 AM
Yeah, my wife isnt a big sci-fi fan per se, but she watched an ep with me while we had lunch, and then asked if Id wait for her to watch the rest, now she wants to see the movie a ton too!
Good good series, bet it would do great on Sci-Fi in teh right time-slot...
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Ditto with my wife. She hemmed and hawed around watching the DVDs with me. I finally just said, "Watch just one. Watch the first episode with me. And if you don't want to watch any more after that, then I won't say another word about it." She was hooked 15 minutes in. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif We watched the rest of them (2nd time through for me) over the next couple days. Now we're both completely stoked to see Serenity (http://www.serenitymovie.com)
Here's a few Firefly/Serenity wallpapers in case anyone would like them.
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Kaken Osmex
09-28-2005, 11:58 PM
Very nice JMAS!
Kaken Osmex
09-30-2005, 01:01 PM
Welcome to Serenity Day my fellow Browncoats!! I am going with my wife on Monday, I am looking forward to discussing the movie with you all soon!
Whitesaber
09-30-2005, 02:46 PM
Allow me to say this now before we start discussing the movie: Please, consider those who can't watch it until this weekend or even next week. If you're going to post a "spoiler", use the spoiler tag when posting.
I'm not sure when we'll be able to discuss openly, but for now please use the spoiler tag.
goodwije
09-30-2005, 02:59 PM
why you little.. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
I was in the middle of typing a very simular post Whitey.. you beat me too it.
Whitesaber
09-30-2005, 09:18 PM
Looks like I'm about to head out and watch it now. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/w00t.gif
This is gonna be so cherry...
Whitesaber
10-01-2005, 12:37 AM
I just saw it...
For spoiled folk or those who've seen the movie:
<div onClick="openClose('e52eb468ec07279b8c5c9483eb103a82')" style="font-weight: bold">[ Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide]</div><div id="e52eb468ec07279b8c5c9483eb103a82" style="display:none">Holy cow, everything was too awesome. When the first shot of Serenity popped up on the big screen, it was like I was home again. I can't believe some major characters die (even though I'm in the spoiler tag, I won't say who). In all, the whole movie was sweet. There are definitely lines that I'm going to mimic from time to time.</div>
For non-spoiled folk:
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Kaken Osmex
10-01-2005, 03:20 AM
I wanna click that link so gorram bad it hurts. COME ON MONDAY!!
Virus
10-01-2005, 05:57 PM
This movie looks cheesy but its getting great reviews. I might have to check it out since I like Sci-Fi.
Kaken Osmex
10-01-2005, 09:03 PM
Hey Virus, have you seen Firefly (the TV show) yet? I hear that you can still like the movie without the show but it's so shiny that I can't stop using words from the show.
Virus
10-01-2005, 11:02 PM
I missed the show when it was on the air. Shows like that on TV don't catch my interest, I prefer bigger productions. That is why I think this movie could be up my alley.
Kaken Osmex
10-02-2005, 12:20 AM
Let us know what you think, I am curious about how people that are going in cold like the movie.
Virus
10-02-2005, 04:13 AM
^like most movies these days, not worth 2 hours and $10 on a Friday night. plus with a busy schedule, I'll just wait for the dvd to arrive sometime soon. Probably next week style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif ahh the reason for box office decline.
The White Tuxedo
10-02-2005, 05:27 AM
I've never even heard of Firefly until today when I was reading about this movie. I'l certainly Netflix the DVDs. Is this movie a continuation of the show? Or an adaptation?
Anyway, I really enjoyed it. I think it had a wonderful charm to it, very much like the original Star Wars movies and Indiana Jones. A little TVish... But it beats the pants off the Prequels. Sorry, but my opinion.
Rogue_0009
10-02-2005, 11:57 AM
<span style="color:red">Saw it last night; loved it! Everything I loved about Firefly but bigger faster and shinier! I'd love to see a sequel or another season of tv shows.</span>
Whitesaber
10-02-2005, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by The White Tuxedo@Oct 2 2005, 02:27 AM
I've never even heard of Firefly until today when I was reading about this movie. I'l certainly Netflix the DVDs. Is this movie a continuation of the show? Or an adaptation?
Anyway, I really enjoyed it. I think it had a wonderful charm to it, very much like the original Star Wars movies and Indiana Jones. A little TVish... But it beats the pants off the Prequels. Sorry, but my opinion.
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Yes, the movie is a continuation of the TV show.
The White Tuxedo
10-02-2005, 04:24 PM
Cool, I'll check out the DVDs. That Kaylee is hot. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
TuskenRaider1
10-03-2005, 11:52 AM
Definately worth the 10 bucks. Id agree that most arent, btu this was real fun
<div onClick="openClose('a636548e85129d8c4fd75ead619b2313')" style="font-weight: bold">[ Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide]</div><div id="a636548e85129d8c4fd75ead619b2313" style="display:none"> Crap, they killed off my fav character! Ahhhh. Great tension though, and I liked that literal every character was in mortal peril, AND they killed a couple of em!</div>
I hope they bring the show back. Good good stuff...
Whitesaber
10-03-2005, 12:03 PM
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I've been cruising some Firefly boards. I've seen a lot of "fans" turn completely around and say they hate the movie and hate Firefly now because of Wash's death. Some are even "anti-promoting" it, telling their friends not to see it.
I wasn't happy about Wash dying either, but after it sunk it, I just wanted to see the movie again. I've heard some fans say that's the genius of Joss Whedon. He's making us fuss about a character in some old, canceled show turned into a movie.
Whatever it was, I love the movie and I hope more movies or a TV shows comes out of this. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif
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<div onClick="openClose('5c1b1b112aadadd30b479303b9a59001')" style="font-weight: bold">[ Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide]</div><div id="5c1b1b112aadadd30b479303b9a59001" style="display:none"> I hate it that wash died he was definatly one of my favorite charcters but after I let it sink in when the movie was over I realized he had to kill someone there, because after that happened when the reaver attack was happening I had a real fear of, "Is anyone going to make it through this alive?" I really didn't know. It was bad that he had to die but someone had to so that we realized these people aren't al supermen. One reason I never could get into the Star Trek stuff was because you always knew in the movies everyone was going to come out alive, and if that is the case then where is the supense where is the real fun in going along this ride with these charcters. I also have seen a lot of people say well why couldn't you just use Books death to show that? Book's death wasn't personal you didn't see it happen. With Wash one minute he was there and the next he was dead and every single person in the theater includeing the people who I talked to who hadn't seen the TV show at that point took a style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/shocked.gif gasp cause no one could believe it. I thought it was a great movie one of the best Sci-Fi Movies I have seen in a while and I have to saw congrates to Joss for writing a great film. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wtg.gif </div>
Now for all of you who haven't seen it and don't want a spoiler. I went to see it and I'm probably about to make some enemys, but it was the best Sci-fi movie I have seen since ROTJ. I am one of those people that liked the prequels and was happy to have them but to me they don't hold a candle to the originals. I Loved this movie it was witty and action packed. If you get a chance see this movie, make sure you do cause it is worth it. I went in pumped for it and in the back of my head was alittle worried about the Halo 2 effect, you know you play the first Halo loved it thought it was so cool stand in line for Halo2 and then play it and realize that Halo2 was the biggest piece of Cr*p ever put out. I was pleasantly surprised though this movie was everything I wanted it to be and more.
Also you don't have to have seen the series to enjoy the movie. I do think it helps you understand the charcters and love them more and I do recomend the series to all Sci-Fi fans but, I had people sitting next to me that had never seen it and they were just as into it as I was. I really loved this movie and I think that any one who loves Sci-fi should go see it but anyway try to get out to see it sometime it is well worth the money.
The White Tuxedo
10-03-2005, 07:24 PM
I have an idea...
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I actually really liked his character too. But my fave was the Han Solo-ish Captain Mal. That's his name right? I think it's interesting that they took the route Kasden and Ford wanted to take with ROTJ, killing a main character at the start of the finale.
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Kaken Osmex
10-03-2005, 09:11 PM
We just got back from the theater, I can't find the words.................
Oh my God, this was so awesome. I will comment more when I wrap my lil head around this.
Kaken,
I'm really curious as to what you thought of the film? <div onClick="openClose('4961a5f6d14010de3ee343d23edef176')" style="font-weight: bold">[ Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide]</div><div id="4961a5f6d14010de3ee343d23edef176" style="display:none">I know plenty of people that are pissed though none of them seem to be here really and you just seemed shocked.</div>
Kaken Osmex
10-04-2005, 06:39 PM
Well, where do I start.....
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I really liked the TV show, but I was blown away by the movie. I had the fact that *somone* died about a month ago, I just didn't know who. So, when Book was killed I was like "damn I really liked Book a lot" and I let my guard down. I never saw it coming when Wash died, I was in denial about it untill I saw his grave.
I wasn't mad about it I was just in shock, how often do we see something like this happen in movies today? After Wash went down I was scared for the rest of the crew, I was into this movie like I haven't been since Star Wars. I was really into Episode III but
I knew what was going to happen, like I said, I didn't see this one coming at all. I hope that there are more movies or something because I really, really liked Serenity.
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This is way to funny not to share I've never heard it till yesterday but it is really great.
Ballad of Joss (http://mp3-postcards.com/listen/?888)
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kaken,
I agree ...
<div onClick="openClose('cb434448b2d89cc802b42aca08b57aee')" style="font-weight: bold">[ Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide]</div><div id="cb434448b2d89cc802b42aca08b57aee" style="display:none">I know and have seen on plenty of other forums where there are some pissed off people about it I hated to see it happen but it has to be some of the best writing I've seen in a long long time.</div>
Oh btw click the link above if you haven't already it is great.
Kaken Osmex
10-05-2005, 01:30 AM
When I watched the show I became a fan, I liked it a lot and was jazzed about Serenity. Something strange happend when the movie started though.
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When we first see Serenity it was like coming home again. These were old friends that I had not seen for months. Watching Simon rescue River gave me chills. My wife and I went together and I realized during the Reaver/Alliance battle that we were holding on to each other like we were on the ship. When Wash died it was like we lost a dear friend. I almost cried, and I don't cry at movies. We FELT the loss and were terrified that no one would make it.
Maybe it is because I am such a sci-fi fanboy, I like a lot of different things. The only thing that I had been fanatical about has been Star Wars, that is, untill Serenity.
There is a guy in Plano (Texas) who does a comic PVP Online (http://www.pvponline.com) who mentioned Firefly in the comic, that is why I picked it up. He has a shirt that uses the Star Wars font that says Joss Wheadon is my master now. I get it now..........
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Oh yea, that song is great! This is a more serious type song called Mal's song, they took the Ballad of Serenity and made a full song out of it. Go here (http://cyphertext.net/escapekey/songs.html) and scroll down to Mal's Song.
Over all I think it was a great movie and might be one of the best written films I've seen in a long time.
Thanks for the link I've actually been looking for that song and was asking about it on the Signals forums.
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Whitesaber
10-06-2005, 09:22 AM
If anyone here listens to the Signal, the Serenity/Firefly podcast, one of my e-mails was read in the latest show (show #13). It's the very last one in their E-mail segment.
The Signal Show #13 (http://signal.serenityfirefly.com/shownotes/signal_013.html)
Once you hear the segment, you might want to visit the Digg story I submitted and told them about.
Digg Story - Joss Whedon's Serenity Premieres Friday (http://digg.com/movies/Joss_Whedon_s_Serenity_Premieres_Friday)
If anyone reads my profile they know my alias on Digg is BanditJing. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif Anyways, when I sent them the e-mail the story had 120 diggs, but it ended up with 809. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif Woooo!
Nobody make fun of my name now....
Kaken Osmex
10-06-2005, 11:34 AM
Hahaha, I didn't know that was you! I dug it the moment that I saw it. Even on the Glocal Interweb, it's a small world after all!
Darth Badly
10-07-2005, 10:17 AM
Saw Serenity last night.
As the two hour climax of a TV show - 8/10
As a stand alone movie for people who haven't seen the TV show - 4/10
Kaken Osmex
10-08-2005, 02:47 AM
Ramp up your drool machine kids.......
Universal is showing the first nine minutes of Serenity online!!
Go here (http://video.vividas.com/CDN1/3929_Serenity/web/index.html) now!
Saw it last night finally. Joss Whedon is a master! He can make you absolutely LOVE a movie and hate it at the same time! A friend of mine told me before I saw it "there are two things you aren't going to like" and he elaborated with
<div onClick="openClose('50b67a62bfc8a5b54e3517b837c0c4a8')" style="font-weight: bold">[ Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide]</div><div id="50b67a62bfc8a5b54e3517b837c0c4a8" style="display:none">"someone dies." Well I kinda figured it was going to be Book. I knew he only had about 15 minutes of on screen time, but that his part in the movie was crucial. His death saddened me, but I expected it. My wife and I were caught COMPLETELY and TOTALLY off guard when Wash died! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif We were both in shock and had to snap out of it fast because there was no time to absorb it. HE WAS MY FAVORITE! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif
A friend of mine who is very into Firefly also told me that the assistant producer of Serenity has stated that in the subsequent sequels, Wash and Book will both be in them, I imagine in flashbacks. So at least we have that to look forward to.</div>
I do have to say though, this movie doesn't have even half the punch if you haven't seen the series first though.
Kaken Osmex
10-08-2005, 04:54 PM
I was talking to a fellow Browncoat last night and
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I am also hearing some rumors that Universal is planning to release the DVD in mid to late December. This, and a discussion some of us have been having over in Whitesaber's Tech Thread got me to thinking. I know, hold on to your loved ones.....
Anyway, how feasable do you all think that it would be for Joss to skip the theater all together and make any sequals direct to DVD. Whith the insane sales of Firefly on DVD I think that there is a definate market. It seems to me that the direct to DVD stigma is wearing off a bit. I could just be thinking crazy, I am only on my second cup of coffee.
P-Ray
10-08-2005, 05:04 PM
I need advice!
I was just in Best Buy and I saw the Firefly box set! I have never seen the show but have heard great things about it!
I like Sci fi like Stargate and Stargate:Atlantis! Is there a good shot that I will like this?
Also, are they going to contine the show or is it cancelled for good?
Kaken Osmex
10-08-2005, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by P-Ray@Oct 8 2005, 03:04 PM
I need advice!
I was just in Best Buy and I saw the Firefly box set! I have never seen the show but have heard great things about it!
I like Sci fi like Stargate and Stargate:Atlantis! Is there a good shot that I will like this?
Also, are they going to contine the show or is it cancelled for good?
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Okay, well since I am a huge Firefly fanboy I may not be the best person to listen too so I will tell a long winded story that has very little point and then tell you to go out and get it.
I rented the first disc from Netflix some time ago, I watched the original pilot episode and promptly sealed the disc and sent it back. Less than thirty seconds later I was online and ordering the box set with express shipping from Amazon.
I enjoy a lot of Sci-Fi stuff but have only really loved Star Wars, untill now. Joss is my master now. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nahnah.gif
Now as for the show coming back here is what I know (or think I do). As of now there are no plans to bring the series back to television. There have been rumors that Fox has locked Joss into a contract forbidding him to ever do it on TV again. That same rumor has also been debunked, and the last I heard was an audio clip with Joss and Nathan (Mal) that it is in fact NOT true and that Nathan started the rumor in the first place. Joss also went on to say that he wants to do more movies, not TV so as of now, there is no TV show in the plans.
I am hoping with all my might that we get a Serenity sequel because I loooooved it.
So like I said, the long story with no real point. If you have doubts, do what I do and rent it or something like that first.
P-Ray
10-08-2005, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by Kaken Osmex+Oct 8 2005, 05:45 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kaken Osmex @ Oct 8 2005, 05:45 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@Oct 8 2005, 03:04 PM
I need advice!
I was just in Best Buy and I saw the Firefly box set!* I have never seen the show but have heard great things about it!
I like Sci fi like Stargate and Stargate:Atlantis!* Is there a good shot that I will like this?*
Also, are they going to contine the show or is it cancelled for good?
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Okay, well since I am a huge Firefly fanboy I may not be the best person to listen too so I will tell a long winded story that has very little point and then tell you to go out and get it.
I rented the first disc from Netflix some time ago, I watched the original pilot episode and promptly sealed the disc and sent it back. Less than thirty seconds later I was online and ordering the box set with express shipping from Amazon.
I enjoy a lot of Sci-Fi stuff but have only really loved Star Wars, untill now. Joss is my master now. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nahnah.gif
Now as for the show coming back here is what I know (or think I do). As of now there are no plans to bring the series back to television. There have been rumors that Fox has locked Joss into a contract forbidding him to ever do it on TV again. That same rumor has also been debunked, and the last I heard was an audio clip with Joss and Nathan (Mal) that it is in fact NOT true and that Nathan started the rumor in the first place. Joss also went on to say that he wants to do more movies, not TV so as of now, there is no TV show in the plans.
I am hoping with all my might that we get a Serenity sequel because I loooooved it.
So like I said, the long story with no real point. If you have doubts, do what I do and rent it or something like that first.
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Well, I read a lot of reviews on Amazon.com from people who stated that the never watched it and when the rented it, they were hooked and had to go buy it. Your same story. This sounds like me. I'm not a huge sci fi fan. I like Star Trek & Stargate and love Star Wars, but Firefly sounds like something that I would like. Mind you I never watched Buffy or Angel and have no interest too.
Kaken Osmex
10-08-2005, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by P-Ray@Oct 8 2005, 07:54 PM
Mind you I never watched Buffy or Angel and have no interest too.
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I never watched them either, I may give them a try now though.
P-Ray
10-08-2005, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by Kaken Osmex+Oct 8 2005, 07:56 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kaken Osmex @ Oct 8 2005, 07:56 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-P-Ray@Oct 8 2005, 07:54 PM
Mind you I never watched Buffy or Angel and have no interest too.
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I never watched them either, I may give them a try now though.
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Thanx for your advice, BTW!
I'm definitely going to give it a try. It's just a matter of buying or renting!
I like to buy stuff! I have a sickness style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
Whitesaber
10-09-2005, 12:11 PM
I have a feeling you won't be disappointed, P-Ray. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
This isn't a criticism - just an observation. Has anyone noticed the parallels between "Serenity" and Joss Whedon's screenplays for "Alien Resurrection" and "Titan A.E."?
All three are about a group of social misfits travelling in a rickety old ship.
In two of the three, they're up against a government/corporation/military that's doing genetic experiments, and one of the major characters is a product of the experiment.
Two of the three are largely about war refugees.
Adam Baldwin's character in "Serenity" is virtually identical to Ron Perlman's character in "Alien Resurrection."
BTW: I seem to be one of the few people in the universe who actually liked "Alien Resurrection." I saw it as a dark comedy.
P-Ray
10-09-2005, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by Sam@Oct 9 2005, 12:22 PM
BTW: I seem to be one of the few people in the universe who actually liked "Alien Resurrection." I saw it as a dark comedy.
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P-Ray
10-09-2005, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by Whitesaber@Oct 9 2005, 10:11 AM
I have a feeling you won't be disappointed, P-Ray. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif
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Kaken Osmex
10-09-2005, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by Sam@Oct 9 2005, 12:22 PM
This isn't a criticism - just an observation. Has anyone noticed the parallels between "Serenity" and Joss Whedon's screenplays for "Alien Resurrection" and "Titan A.E."?
All three are about a group of social misfits travelling in a rickety old ship.
In two of the three, they're up against a government/corporation/military that's doing genetic experiments, and one of the major characters is a product of the experiment.
Two of the three are largely about war refugees.
Adam Baldwin's character in "Serenity" is virtually identical to Ron Perlman's character in "Alien Resurrection."
BTW: I seem to be one of the few people in the universe who actually liked "Alien Resurrection." I saw it as a dark comedy.
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Your not alone, I really like Resurrection. I think I heard somewhere that Joss intentional based the Serenity crew on the Resurrection crew because he liked them so much. I liked Titan A.E. too, Joss does seem to have issues with Earth eh? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
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I've heard in order to get a sequel this movie is going to have to make about 80 million world wide. This was it's second weekend int theaters in the US and first in many European countries and it droped from 10 million it's first weekend to 5 this weekend. At this rate it is not looking like they are going to meet the 80 million mark so if you have seen it you need to see it again and this time take a friend or friends who haven't seen it that was what I did this weekend, but if you like this movie you need to show your support guys other wise this might be the last Firefly/serinty thing we get.
Edit: Here is a link to the Yahoo movies to see the weekend progressin case anyone was wondering
Yahoo weekend box office (http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/boxoffice/weekend)
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Your not alone, I really like Resurrection. I think I heard somewhere that Joss intentional based the Serenity crew on the Resurrection crew because he liked them so much. I liked Titan A.E. too, Joss does seem to have issues with Earth eh? biggrin.gif [/b][/quote]
Thanks. What got me were mostly the little things. For example: Winona Ryder with her spray bottles. I don't know why, but that cracked me up. Then there's the way the General dies. And there's Ron Perlman's line after Ripley burns up everything in the lab. I think that was an implied reference to her using up all her ammunition to destroy the eggs in Aliens. I always found that strange, since the eggs were going to be destroyed anyway. There's also what Winona Ryder does to the bad guy, when, in the "Chapel," she takes over the computer named "Father."
I'd have a hard time defending Alien Resurrection against its critics, however, because it's a guilty pleasure.
I'm with you on Titan A.E. It was Don Bluth's comeback picture. And it probably helped Joss Whedon move toward doing Firefly and Serenity.
I saw the extended version of Alien 3, and it's better than the theatrical release, but I still have a hard time getting past the fact that they killed off Hicks and Newt at the very beginning of it.
The Bandit
10-13-2005, 12:31 PM
I was having an email discussion with a friend about Serenity and realized that my thoughts would be appropriate for this thread as well.
The spoiler tags are not only for Serenity, but for the episode "The Body" of Buffy the Vampire Slayer -- oh, and the Two Towers, but if you haven't seen that by now you probably don't care if it's spoiled for you...
<div onClick="openClose('420c720a8bf886614e2b149d27989ec6')" style="font-weight: bold">[ Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide]</div><div id="420c720a8bf886614e2b149d27989ec6" style="display:none">I've now had a couple weeks to reflect on the film, and I think I decided that I kinda-sorta liked it, with reservations.
I think the major issue I had was the dialogue. Not having seen a lot of the show I was a little new to the universe, but still very familiar with Whedon's style (having seen every episode of Buffy and Angel and liking most of it... the fourth season fo Angel was awful, but other than that a pretty solid body of work). I think that his penchant for cutesy dialogue (using words like 'somnambulant' and having the ship's mechanic talk about 'nary anything betwixt my legs that wasn't battery operated' stand out for me as particulary bad decisions in scriptwriting) really hurt the film for me. I didn't know these characters, and having them talk like that made them seem like just that, characters -- not real people. On the other hand, there were a few moments that rang very true -- when Caleb (Nathan Fillion -- Mal maybe? not good on the names) and Animal Mother (Adam Baldwin) were in the ship and they had the exchange about "Do you think you can run this ship?" "Yes" "Well... you can't" -- that played very natural to me. But for every instance where things seemed natural there were about five where they seemed forced.
This is a trend with Joss though, because his writing is always somewhat hit or miss when taken on its own -- he's a brilliant collaborator, which why I think his work in series television thrives. When coupled with people like David Greenwalt, Jane Espenson, Marti Noxon, etc. his work stands out -- when given hours and hours of time to develop characters you get used to the way they talk in the Whedonverse. However, throwing the Firelfy/Serenity dialogue at a new viewer is jarring and made me acutely aware that I was watching a movie the whole time -- for me, great film makes you forget that. (The audience didn't help in that regard either -- loudly laughing at things that were marginally chuckle-worthy, clapping a lot, etc...) In regards to being taken out of the narrative, everytime I seemed to be getting into things something would happen either on or off screen that would take me out of the narrative -- reminds me of the my experience seeing Two Towers the first time -- even with the choppily-edited Rohan sequences in the theatrical cut, I'm getting into Helm's Deep, really being enveloped in the whole thing and Peter Jackson makes two crucial missteps that pull me out of the LotR world entirely -- first he uses the "Wilhelm Scream" way too prominently, showcases it practically and secondly he has Legolas "shield-board" down a set of steps. Hated it, couldn't get into the movie again, didn't see it again until the DVD hit (this from the guy who saw Fellowship like four times and did the 14+ hour marathon theatrical viewing of Fellowship:EE, TwoTowers:EE and Return of the King, and followed that up by seeing Return of the King again the next morning and again that weekend).
Anyway, back to Joss. I was really into the plot of the film, a lot of the aspects were nice and interesting -- I liked the bad guy a lot. The death of the pilot guy and the old black preacher guy really didn't do anything for me -- I realize that his is most likely because I didn't watch the show, but I seem to recall Joss saying that he wanted to make the movie work for folks who had never seen Firefly. I think he really failed at that when it came to making you care about the characters. The dialogue is part of that, but there are also a few things he did early on that just made me roll my eyes -- one that jumps out is the completely obvious crush that the mechanic girl has on the doctor guy. It was handled without any subtlety and clumsily, not what I'd expect from Joss who has written strong females roles very well in the past.
Writing aside, his direction was ok. Effects wise he had some very nice things going on. I was expecting a bit more from shot selections -- they were.. pedestrian is the best word I can think of -- uninspired. Having seen episodes of Buffy that Joss had directed (Hush, The Body, Once More... and the season 4 finale all come to mind) that played out like film school theme projects, I was expecting something similar from this film. I didn't get it. One of the interesting things about Alfred Hitchcock, who is certainly in my top ten as far as directors go -- maybe top five -- is that he would often play with the medium and make directorial choices simply to make a statement on some trendy aspect of film theory or gimmicky Hollywood thing going on. For example, "Dial M for Murder" -- Universal had decreed that Hitch make a movie in 3D. Hitch thought that was ridiculous and said "Ok, I'm going to do this one." The movie takes place entirely in one room. With Rope he experimented and did a film as one continuous take, much like a stage play, only cutting when the film ran out of the camera (once every 20 minutes). Vertigo (which, if you haven't seen, you should) is a direct commentary on an essay that places voyuerism as a sexual act that exists only in males -- Rear Window also deals with voyuerism, but on a much more straightforward level.
There is only one shot that stands out in my mind in Serenity -- whereas I can call up in my mind several shots from The Body at will -- Buffy coming in to the house, the way Joyce is laying on the couch on the edge of the frame, barely seen to the viewer and unseen to her daughter; the way Joss holds the frame steady as Buffy goes out to vomit -- leaving us trapped in the house as she gets a momentary escape; the vampire fight in the morgue at the end -- that episode is so brilliantly directed that it's hard for me to accept that it's directed by the same guy who helmed Serenity.
The one shot that does stick out in my from Serenity -- they're on the Reaver planet and they're beginning to see bodies, etc. The camera cuts to Animal Mother, and then starts circling around him again and again -- let me tell you, I really loved that shot the first time I saw it when it was at the end of Werner Herzog's "Aguirre: The Wrath of God." That Joss so shamelessly lifted this shot (you can call it homage, I consider it theft in this case -- because I don't think that shot needed to be in Joss's film -- I can see him watching Aguirre and saying "what a cool shot, I should use that somewhere" -- there's no purpose, no context for that shot to be in the film at that point). Again, another case where I was pulled out of the narrative.
So those are my collected thoughts on Serentiy and Joss. I think Wonder Woman is his next project -- I'm interested in seeing how he does with a character that is not his own in the context of a film (hopefully a better job than he did on the screenplay to Alien: Resurrection). We'll see.
And I realize now that it may seem like I'm trashing the movie, I'm not. It just wasn't nearly as good as I expected it to be, or as everyone is saying it is. Good story, but not a lot else worked for me. I think that Whedon is capable of much better work as a director. I gave it a B- or so because there were a lot of aspects that I liked... but I really have no desire to see it again.</div>
-- 2bq
Whitesaber
10-13-2005, 03:39 PM
Watch the series. Then you'll want to watch the movie again.
The Bandit
10-13-2005, 04:00 PM
^
I've seen 3 - 4 episodes of the series. It didn't do anything for me.
Given the very small number of people who had seen the series, Joss really shot himself in the foot if that's what it takes to like this movie.
Especially considering his intentions were the opposite.
-- 2bq
Galahad_Skywalker
10-13-2005, 07:43 PM
^Which 3 or 4 episodes? It's a very chronologically-dependent show, so you have to watch from the beginning straight through to get the full effect, but the later you get, the more explosive things become. When you get to know the individual backgrounds and the characters, the movie is like getting together with good friends. I really wish Fox hadn't screwed this one up...it's not like a sequel or two are needed, but their contents would be explosive. I just can't understand why people aren't going to see the movie...
Then again, in a country that'll produce crap like The Dukes of Hazzard film and countless John Cusack romantic comedy cookie-cutouts, I shouldn't be surprised. It's too bad that Serenity and a bunch of other movies had to suffer because of it.
Whitesaber
10-13-2005, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by 2 Butterflies Quarrleing@Oct 13 2005, 01:00 PM
^
I've seen 3 - 4 episodes of the series. It didn't do anything for me.
Given the very small number of people who had seen the series, Joss really shot himself in the foot if that's what it takes to like this movie.
Especially considering his intentions were the opposite.
-- 2bq
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If you saw the series on Fox, Fox switched the episodes around. Heck, they didn't even air the pilot as the pilot.
But if you saw the DVD, then you'd be talking about "Our Mrs. Reynolds" and "Janestown". Admittedly, these are probably the best episodes of the series, and if you didn't like it, then Firefly/Serenity isn't your thing.
The Bandit
10-13-2005, 08:32 PM
I saw the first two episodes aired on Fox and a couple on DVD (one of which had the guy who played the scientist guy on the last season of Angel and the newly risen vampire in Buffy S7's "Conversations with Dead People" -- Edward Woodward I believe). None of the episodes worked for me, regardless of what had been leading up to them.
As I said, if Joss Whedon's intentions were to make the film work for people who were not intimately familiar with the television show he failed. End of story -- if you're looking for reasons why the masses aren't flocking to see the movie, why only the die-hard fans are doing the word of mouth thing, there you have it.
And for the record, the Dukes of Hazzard was Burt-tastic... and don't badmouth John Cusack around me -- quality films like Grosse Point Blank and High Fidelity are not only light years better than Serenity, but are more indicitave of his talents than "Must Love Dogs." (which, admittedly I did not see, but I don't feel that I need to see that film to make that judgement).
-- 2bq
P-Ray
10-13-2005, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by 2 Butterflies Quarrleing@Oct 13 2005, 06:32 PM
And for the record, the Dukes of Hazzard was Burt-tastic... and don't badmouth John Cusack around me -- quality films like Grosse Point Blank and High Fidelity are not only light years better than Serenity, but are more indicitave of his talents than "Must Love Dogs." (which, admittedly I did not see, but I don't feel that I need to see that film to make that judgement).
-- 2bq
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Galahad_Skywalker
10-13-2005, 11:15 PM
Wow...John Cusack has a far bigger fanbase than I would ever have imagined. I made jabs against him around some friends at the beginning of the school year, and they immediately rallied to his defense. I don't doubt he can act; I've just never found his style appeal to me. Oh, and I have nothing against Burt Reynolds...just against the film adaptation of a show that I grew up with through TNN reruns.
I do understand where you're coming from, though. The movie probably doesn't strike too much of a chord with people who haven't seen the show. But if you're the fan of adventure films, epic films, and epic adventure films, you tend to get a bit resentful when the box office returns for these types of films are so abysmal, because that means that the studios are that less inclined to produce more movies in that genre. Which is sad because Serenity is really a prime example of great adventure storytelling with character building. That's why I made my digs at Dukes and Cusack. If you're not part of the mainstream, you get ignored.
P-Ray
10-14-2005, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by P-Ray+Oct 13 2005, 07:57 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(P-Ray @ Oct 13 2005, 07:57 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-2 Butterflies Quarrleing@Oct 13 2005, 06:32 PM
And for the record, the Dukes of Hazzard was Burt-tastic... and don't badmouth John Cusack around me -- quality films like Grosse Point Blank and High Fidelity are not only light years better than Serenity, but are more indicitave of his talents than "Must Love Dogs."* (which, admittedly I did not see, but I don't feel that I need to see that film to make that judgement).
-- 2bq
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Whitesaber
10-14-2005, 01:03 AM
Are we talking about the Dukes of Hazzard movie?? 'Cause if we are, I'll stick with Serenity thank you very much... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/shocked.gif
Yeah, I was just wondering when this changed to the "John Cusack and Dukes of Hazzard" thread. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/eh.gif
goodwije
10-14-2005, 04:06 PM
For the record i loved this movie, and i love Whedon and Universal for doing it for the fans.. which is realy what it was. I have to agree with what 2BQ was saying, if you are not real familiar or a fan of the series i do not see how the movie could have "done it for ya". For instance the whole Kayle sex thing, i mean the impulse is universal but does anyone but us know of how her and Mal first met (she was having sex with the original mechanic of Serenity btw) or her facination with the companion work and romance. I am not bashing the movie, it was great for me, and i am sure some newcomers did enjoy it, but i just feel it was made for already existing fans instead of an attempt to bring in new.
Totally agree with you goodwije. As a fan who's familiar with the series, this movie gets an A++. As a stand alone movie, for someone who's not familiar with the backstory, it ranks maybe at a B+
The Bandit
10-14-2005, 04:39 PM
Well, I don't a movie has ever been made that deserves an "A++" rating -- I top out with very rarely given A+'s.
But sliding the scale down to a less inflated level, I think I gave it a B- in the Last Flick.. thread, and was debating between that and a C+, but it had enough redeeming factors to push it up a bit in my eyes.
-- 2bq
2bq
Well i took my sister and Mother who have never seen the show before and they were asking to borrow the DVD's after the movie that is how much they loved the movie. Also if your a Sci-Fi fan I don't know how you couldn't like this movie or this series you might be the first person I've heard say they didn't like the series and I've shown it to anumber of people and all different kinds of people too. Now the movie is another story.
<div onClick="openClose('c2b1e5e18fc83019f732fb5b1df05dc4')" style="font-weight: bold">[ Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide]</div><div id="c2b1e5e18fc83019f732fb5b1df05dc4" style="display:none">With the killing of Wash and Book there are alot of people pissed about the movie but, I've been amazed at the kind of reaction I get from most people when I show them the series most people want to know when it comes on so they can catch it. But back to the movie as far as I was concerned it was the best Sci-fi movie in a while.
In Episode III I knew what was going to happen I knew how things were going to go basically. If Anikan hadn't become Vader or Luke had been born stillborn then I think it would have shocked me and I would have been suprised. This movie takes 2 of the main charcters and completely kills them off Book if you haven't seen the series then yeah you really aren't that attached to him. but even just seeing the movie my Sister was upset that Wash kicked. At that point everyone in the theater knew all bets were off and wasn't sure if anyone was going to make it out of that alive. </div>
As far as getting into it I haven't been that into a movie since I can remember. I think your problem is your thining to hard about this movie it is a great Sci-fi popcorn flick. Bottom line if you truly love Sci-Fi in any form you are going to love this movie and the series even more. As far as you don't think this was made for the people who didn't see the series your probably right, but I think what gets me most is you say you have seen the series and it didn't do anything for you. It might be one of the best Sci-fi TV shows of all time.
DarthAnakin
10-14-2005, 09:38 PM
Ok i'll just admit it, i've been downloading the episodes of the Firefly season. They're in awesome quality but I can't figure out ther order they're in since it seems like every site I go to gives me a different one. This is the one i've been going by... is it right?
1. The Train Job
2. Bushwhacked
3. Our Mrs. Reynolds
4. Jaynestown
5. Out of Gas
6. Shindig
7. Safe
8. Ariel
9. War Stories
10. Objects in Space
11. Serenity (1)
12. Serenity (2)
*13. Heart of Gold
*14. Trash
*15. The Message
*- Sites say these episodes never aired but do exist, is this true?
Kaken Osmex
10-15-2005, 02:03 AM
Good Lord in Heaven don't watch them in that order!!
Go like this:
1. Serenity (1)
2. Serenity (2)
3. The Train Job
4. Bushwhacked
5. Shindig
6. Safe
7. Our Mrs. Reynolds
8. Jaynestown
9. Out of Gas
10. Ariel
11. War Stories
12. Trash
13. The Message
14. Heart of Gold
15. Objects in Space
Then go see Serenity the movie. The story on the one's that you highlighted is that Fox never aired them but they were released with DVD boxed set. I still think that is the best $35 I have spent in years.
Nathan Butler
10-15-2005, 02:07 AM
The DVD set that was released has the correct order. Fox frelled with the series to make it out of order and some episodes did not air on Fox originally. I'll put air dates beside them so you can see how fouled up Fox airings were.
The CORRECT order is...
Serenity, Parts I and II (12/20/02)
The Train Job (9/20/02)
Bushwhacked (9/27/02)
Shindig (11/1/02)
Safe (11/8/02)
Our Mrs. Reynolds (10/4/02)
Jaynestown (10/18/02)
Out of Gas (10/25/02)
Ariel (11/15/02)
War Stories (12/6/02)
Trash (never aired on Fox)
The Message (never aired on Fox)
Heart of Gold (never aired on Fox)
Objects in Space (12/13/02)
Then comes the 3-issue Serenity comic book series, then the Serenity movie.
Check out those dates. They aired the 2-hour pilot LAST, never aired three of the episodes, and aired a block of two episodes about a month earlier than they should have.
DarthAnakin
10-15-2005, 02:53 AM
So you guys are saying the order they aired on FOX isn't actually the order they're set in? That's pretty screwed up!
I read in reviews of "Serenity" that, not only did Fox air "Firefly" out of order, they pre-empted episodes to air sports, and they didn't show the 2-hour pilot until after they cancelled the series. The show never had a chance. I missed it for a different reason, however. By 2002, I was so angered by the blatant partisanship of Rupert Murdoch and Fox News, that I had given up watching anything on Fox. I did see "Serenity" and liked it enough to want to see the series, so, the first chance I get, I'll watch the DVD version.
The Bandit
10-15-2005, 12:09 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Also if your a Sci-Fi fan I don't know how you couldn't like this movie or this series you might be the first person I've heard say they didn't like the series and I've shown it to anumber of people and all different kinds of people too. Now the movie is another story.[/b][/quote]
I thought that I articulated my thoughts as to the problems I had with the film very well. I am a sci-fi fan -- I just don't blindly warm up to whatever crap is on Sci-Fi channel or whathave you just because it has laser guns in it. For Sci-Fi films I lean towards the work of Lucas (naturally), Kubrick, Gilliam, Alex Proyas, Ridley Scott (his earlier stuff -- Alien, Blade Runner), and Spielberg to a degree (again, pre-1982 Spielberg, plus I enjoyed Minority Report), etc... for TV for the most part it's been Joss's stuff (Buffy/Angel) that's grabbed me. Literature I go for Heinlein (the Moon is a Harsh Mistress is my favorite), Neal Stephenson, William Gibson, Asimov, and Kurt Vonnegut.
There will always be work that stands out in any genre -- if it's an action movie I'll take something like "Die Hard" over the latest direct-to-DVD Steven Segal/Dolph Lundren type movie.
I'm not saying that Firefly is in the Segal category -- it's not.... it's just nowhere near a lot of the best Sci-Fi that I've seen. I expected a lot more from Joss -- even Alex Proyas, who did the brilliant Dark City, made I, Robot something that wasn't a cut and dried scifi/action flick (and from the trailers did anyone think that would be anything but another bad Will Smith vehicle?).
Just because you're a fan of a genre doesn't mean you let yourself be spoon fed genre pictures/etc and gush over them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Bottom line if you truly love Sci-Fi in any form you are going to love this movie and the series even more. As far as you don't think this was made for the people who didn't see the series your probably right, but I think what gets me most is you say you have seen the series and it didn't do anything for you. It might be one of the best Sci-fi TV shows of all time.[/b][/quote]
I think you're too easily getting into a superlative there -- Firefly, from what I've seen, isn't the best anything -- certainly not even the best Joss Whedon project. I'll admit that I'm not a huge fan of episodic TV sci-fi on a whole... I kind of got into NextGen when I was younger, but the episodes were too self-contained. Other than Buffy/Angel there aren't a lot of TV sci-fi series (unless you want to count something like the Twilight Zone as sci-fi -- which I guess you can) that's grabbed me. I'll tell you that I have been very impressed with what I've seen of the new Battlestar Galactica, but I haven't seen enough of it to make a judgement on the series as a whole.
-- 2bq
Kaken Osmex
10-15-2005, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by DarthAnakin@Oct 15 2005, 12:53 AM
So you guys are saying the order they aired on FOX isn't actually the order they're set in? That's pretty screwed up!
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Yes sir, that is indeed what happened. There have been a lot of sci-fi/fantasy shows on Fox that had a lot of potential but the network just killed them in one way or another. Fox is not the only one but they seem to be the worst.
Kaken Osmex
10-15-2005, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by 2 Butterflies Quarrleing@Oct 15 2005, 10:09 AM
even Alex Proyas, who did the brilliant Dark City, made I, Robot something that wasn't a cut and dried scifi/action flick (and from the trailers did anyone think that would be anything but another bad Will Smith vehicle?).
-- 2bq
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Wow I never knew that! I like I,Robot as an action popcorn flick but had no clue that the director did Dark City. That was a brilliant movie, I would have liked to seen it do blockbuster type box office also.
goodwije
10-15-2005, 03:40 PM
then again Jim.. you like Smokey and the Bandit
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Kaken Osmex
10-15-2005, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by goodwije@Oct 15 2005, 01:40 PM
then again Jim.. you like Smokey and the Bandit
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Hey now, there is no need to try an belittle The Bandit! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
The Bandit
10-16-2005, 01:58 PM
Very true, but I'll be the first to admit that Smokey and the Bandit II is weak and Smokey and the Bandit III is practically unwatchable.
Maybe if Serenity had been closer in tone to the highly overlooked classic Space Truckers (starring Dennis Hopper!) I'd have more of an appreciation for it.
-- 2bq
brookie
10-17-2005, 02:32 AM
Firefly stinks! battlestar galactica rules!!!!
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*runs out of thread*
bwhahhahahaha!
Whitesaber
10-17-2005, 12:56 PM
Uh, Fish, I didn't come into this thread to talk about Smokey the Bandit. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
The Bandit
10-17-2005, 01:05 PM
Blame goodie, he brought it up.
Anyway, back on topic. Serenity was better than Smokey and the Bandit III. However, as a sequel Smokey and the Bandit II is easier to get into for someone who has never seen Smokey and the Bandit than Serenity was for someone who had not seen all of the Firefly TV series.
Happy now?
(probably not)
-- 2bq
Galahad_Skywalker
10-17-2005, 06:41 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Just because you're a fan of a genre doesn't mean you let yourself be spoon fed genre pictures/etc and gush over them.[/b][/quote]
This weekend, I saw your point, and now I agree with it. I rented Kingdom of Heaven wanting to love it and embrace it, only to spend the entire time waiting for it to acheive the epic quality I love. Unfortunately, it never did, despite actively trying to like it. So, I guess I now understand that it's possible for you not to like Serenity, whereas for me, it's compulsively viewable.
BTW, apologies for my mood last week...just got a little too frustrated with Hollywood.
The Bandit
10-17-2005, 06:48 PM
No need to apologize -- one good thing about all this Serenity talk is that I really really want to rewatch "The Body" -- it's been a while since I gave it a viewing and the more I think about it, the more that episode goes up there in my pantheon of one-hour TV show episodes that everyone should see (which to this date only really included "Three Men and Adena" from Homicide: Life on the Street and "Grace Under Pressure" from Hill Street Blues).
I'm interested in showing it to someone who is not at all familiar with Buffy and getting their reactions. It's my feeling that it would work because the theme, <div onClick="openClose('5cd784965283a88901a2282b3f9df4db')" style="font-weight: bold">[ Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide]</div><div id="5cd784965283a88901a2282b3f9df4db" style="display:none">losing a loved one/parent</div> is something that everyone can relate to... but I could be completely wrong and it might actually not work for someone not familiar with the Buffy characters.
I share your frustration with Hollywood -- Ridley Scott has disappointed me several times over, yet I still shelled out ten bucks to see KoH in the theatre -- just because it's the same guy who directed Alien and Blade Runner doesn't mean it's going to be good. If you search for my thoughts on that film in the "Last Flick..." thread over in the Interrogation Room you'll find that I described it as a "psuedo-epic" and, as I recall, compared its shortcomings to Lawrence of Arabia -- the difference being that LoA did almost everything right for an epic film.
I don't expect everyone to react to a film in the same manner -- if they did than what would even be the point of making movies? But I always like it when a movie creates a good discussion, even if I didn't love the film (as is the case with Serenity).
-- 2bq
DarthAnakin
10-18-2005, 04:05 AM
Originally posted by Kaken Osmex+Oct 15 2005, 09:09 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kaken Osmex @ Oct 15 2005, 09:09 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-DarthAnakin@Oct 15 2005, 12:53 AM
So you guys are saying the order they aired on FOX isn't actually the order they're set in? That's pretty screwed up!
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Yes sir, that is indeed what happened. There have been a lot of sci-fi/fantasy shows on Fox that had a lot of potential but the network just killed them in one way or another. Fox is not the only one but they seem to be the worst.
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thats terrible!
goodwije
10-18-2005, 04:46 AM
ok we are off topic mostly but I just wanted to point out i don't watch "the Body" unless i am completely ready for a good cry. I am not embarssed to admit it, The Body and a couple select episodes of M*A*S*H are the only television shows that have ever evoked feelings in me so deeply that i would shed a tear. I also cannot answer to whether someone who does not know the characters as well would have the same reaction. Part of the shock of The Body is that Joyce is doing so well, she is recovering even thriving, the surgery seemed a sucess and then Buffy walks in and "Bam" it is literally a floored type reaction. I knew immediatly that it was not a demon, that it wasn't paranormal, it wasn't anything Buffy could fight.
Unfortuanity, as much as I am a fan of Firefly, i do not think Whedon will ever be able to top those select episodes of Buffy where he got it best. IMO they are literally master peices. <div onClick="openClose('553b14cf28e594cd086cdd5425bd4eea')" style="font-weight: bold">[ Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide]</div><div id="553b14cf28e594cd086cdd5425bd4eea" style="display:none">I did feel a simular shock at Wash's death in Serenity, but not as strongly as Joyce Summers. Part of that has to do with that it was indeed something they could fight that killed him.</div>
Whitesaber
10-18-2005, 11:06 AM
<div onClick="openClose('45d82e0c61d60a0365d1eea0f6fdcd45')" style="font-weight: bold">[ Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide]</div><div id="45d82e0c61d60a0365d1eea0f6fdcd45" style="display:none">People have been saying (those who don't hate Joss now) that they loved that part because it happens after you think everything's over. The ship got through the Alliance, landed safely... er, crash landed on the planet, and there's Wash saying something funny... you think everything's fine. Then BAM! Wash dies.
I felt that Joss was going to kill everyone after that. I've heard people say the same thing. The moments when Zoe wouldn't duck behind cover, Simon got shot, River runs out into the crowd of Reevers to fight them off, Mal facing the assassin again...
I think one of the purposes for Wash's death was to produce that effect in the audience, not to stur up tears. Browncoats and people watching it for the first time must've wondered if any of the characters would survive.</div>
Darth Kitana
10-19-2005, 05:56 PM
I watched the film at weekend and now my friend has lent me the series. It is sooo good. i can't believe it was cancelled. How stupid is that?
Tarnak Vishu
10-19-2005, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by Darth Kitana@Oct 19 2005, 12:56 PM
I watched the film at weekend and now my friend has lent me the series. It is sooo good. i can't believe it was cancelled. How stupid is that?
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Yeah, I know. I saw the movie, thought it was awesome and bought the series. It's pretty cool, I like War Stories and Jaynestown.
I might even have to say that Mal is better than Han Solo style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/shocked.gif
Originally posted by Galahad_Skywalker@Oct 17 2005, 04:41 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Just because you're a fan of a genre doesn't mean you let yourself be spoon fed genre pictures/etc and gush over them.
This weekend, I saw your point, and now I agree with it. I rented Kingdom of Heaven wanting to love it and embrace it, only to spend the entire time waiting for it to acheive the epic quality I love. Unfortunately, it never did, despite actively trying to like it. So, I guess I now understand that it's possible for you not to like Serenity, whereas for me, it's compulsively viewable.
BTW, apologies for my mood last week...just got a little too frustrated with Hollywood.
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At risk of going off-topic, I think I should interject that Ridley Scott originally had a 3 1/2 hour version of Kingdom of Heaven, but, bowing to studio pressure, he cut it down to 2 1/2. I still like the theactrical release, partly because I agree with its controversial message of moderation, but I noticed that scenes looked choppy and some characters were not developed as much as they should have been. I really want to see the longer director's cut, if it ever comes out, and you may want to see it too, becuase it may have the epic quality that you were seeking.
Whitesaber
10-22-2005, 09:10 PM
Saw it again. Loved it again.
<div onClick="openClose('04e282d37b4c747e1340bd43b61e01fe')" style="font-weight: bold">[ Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide]</div><div id="04e282d37b4c747e1340bd43b61e01fe" style="display:none">Wash's death wasn't as bad, if you can call it bad, as the first time. Now that you know about it, it's really cool to see audience reaction when the rest of the crew are injured after the fact.</div>
P-Ray
10-23-2005, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Sam@Oct 21 2005, 12:08 AM
At risk of going off-topic, I think I should interject that Ridley Scott originally had a 3 1/2 hour version of Kingdom of Heaven, but, bowing to studio pressure, he cut it down to 2 1/2. I still like the theactrical release, partly because I agree with its controversial message of moderation, but I noticed that scenes looked choppy and some characters were not developed as much as they should have been. I really want to see the longer director's cut, if it ever comes out, and you may want to see it too, becuase it may have the epic quality that you were seeking.
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I really liked this movie! So did the friends I saw it with.
I would love to see the longer version!
Luminara Skye
10-26-2005, 02:29 PM
I must say that I have really liked this series and movie. I remember way back when it played and I wanted to watch but it came on opposite Farscape. So I never got to watch it. Since Sci-fi Channel has been playing it I've really gotten into it. It seems FOX didn't give it a chance by not playing the episodes in order. The movie was very good. I actually went to see it twice. I normally only see movies multiple times if they are Star Wars. (Although I did see Interview with the Vampire four times in theaters.) But this one rated up there with Star Wars for me. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
I now have the series on DVD and the novelization for the movie and I have the soundtrack and visual companion on order as we speak. I'm usually particular when it comes to my sci-fi. I have never been able to get into Stargate SG-1 or Atlantis. Battlestar Gallactica is good but I'm not crazy over it. I do watch every week, though. I really have enjoyed Firefly. Hopefully, they will have the opportunity to give us more movies. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/thumbsup.gif
Now, all this talk of the comic has me wanting to buy those, too. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
It's hard to pick a favorite episode, though. Most of them were very good. Our Mrs. Reynolds is definitely a great one but I also really liked Objects in Space. Just when they were starting to explain River.... That was the last episode. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cry.gif
An interesting book to pick up is Finding Serenity: Anti-Heroes, Lost Shepherds and Space Hookers in Joss Wedon's Firefly. It's a collection of essays. There is a humorous cross-over of Firefly and Enterprise.
Whitesaber
11-02-2005, 12:09 AM
Serenity DVD Release in December
Universal Studios Home Video have announced the Region 1 DVD release of Serenity for 20th December 2005 priced at $29.98 SRP.
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=59075
Kaken Osmex
11-02-2005, 03:47 AM
I'm super happy and kind of sad about this all in one fell swoop. Time for bed........
Darth Kitana
11-02-2005, 09:39 AM
I have just started to watch firefly and i think it's wonderful. I love the way Joss Whedon can combine all genres and attitudes. One episode can go through all different types of emotions. The plot is fantastic and all the characters blend well together.
My wife and I were just watching through the series again to make sure they all played with no skips, etc and just finished Heart of Gold. I think that is the hardest episode to watch after seeing the movie because of Zoe and Wash talking about having kids ... and her saying how they'd make beautiful children, and she wants to meet those children ... and now ... well ... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/crying.gif
P-Ray
11-02-2005, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by Darth Kitana@Nov 2 2005, 08:39 AM
I have just started to watch firefly and i think it's wonderful. I love the way Joss Whedon can combine all genres and attitudes. One episode can go through all different types of emotions. The plot is fantastic and all the characters blend well together.
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I'm jonesing! I think I will buy Firefly soon and watch it.
Luminara Skye
11-03-2005, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by Whitesaber@Nov 1 2005, 10:09 PM
Serenity DVD Release in December
Universal Studios Home Video have announced the Region 1 DVD release of Serenity for 20th December 2005 priced at $29.98 SRP.
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=59075
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I just found this out this morning. I'm excited to get it! I hope it does better on DVD than it has in theaters. I guess the sequel is up in the air.
P-Ray, if you haven't seen it, I'm sure you will love it. It reminds me of OT Star Wars. I was reading an interview with Joss Whedon the other day and his view on the show and movie is that this is how life was like for Han Solo before he got involved with the Rebellion. I guess that's why Mal Reynolds reminds me of Han Solo. He tells everyone he doesn't care but, in fact, he does...sound familiar? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
Darth Kitana
11-03-2005, 01:30 PM
Yes, i agree. That's why he's so likable. I really like Kaylee (spelt right?) as she adds harmless fun to it. I love the opening episode when Wash is playing with his Dinosaurs. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
Luminara Skye
11-03-2005, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by Darth Kitana@Nov 3 2005, 11:30 AM
I love the opening episode when Wash is playing with his Dinosaurs. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
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I love that, too! Definitely a memorable way to introduce his character. Alan Tudyk is so funny! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
P-Ray
11-03-2005, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by Luminara Skye+Nov 3 2005, 10:24 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Luminara Skye @ Nov 3 2005, 10:24 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Whitesaber@Nov 1 2005, 10:09 PM
Serenity DVD Release in December
Universal Studios Home Video have announced the Region 1 DVD release of Serenity for 20th December 2005 priced at $29.98 SRP.
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=59075
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I just found this out this morning. I'm excited to get it! I hope it does better on DVD than it has in theaters. I guess the sequel is up in the air.
P-Ray, if you haven't seen it, I'm sure you will love it. It reminds me of OT Star Wars. I was reading an interview with Joss Whedon the other day and his view on the show and movie is that this is how life was like for Han Solo before he got involved with the Rebellion. I guess that's why Mal Reynolds reminds me of Han Solo. He tells everyone he doesn't care but, in fact, he does...sound familiar? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
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Thanx!
I am dying to see it! I have heard so many great things about the show and movie!
Luminara Skye
11-03-2005, 04:36 PM
You'll definitely pick up more in the movie if you've seen the series first. But I don't think it's an absolute must. As long as you do watch it after. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
Not a must ... but I agree, the movie is infinitely better having seen the series first. More makes sense, just an all-around better movie experience if you have the backstory.
Darth Kitana
11-04-2005, 02:14 PM
That's true. I watched the film first but now i realise that had i watched the series first, the film would have been more enjoyable as you blend more with characters when you watch the series. There is more information.
P-Ray
11-07-2005, 08:14 PM
I intend on watching the series before I watch the movie. I heard that's it's somewhat of a continuation!
Master Cephus
11-08-2005, 01:42 PM
I just finished watching the entire series in the way the producer wanted it to be seen, and I must say that I enjoyed it. I am not fully captured by it the way I am with Stargate or BSG, but it was a decent series. When the movie comes to DVD, I'll try to watch it
Darth Kitana
11-08-2005, 04:36 PM
there is no try, only do. It's so good. And it's Joss Whedon. I'd have to say it filled the void that Buffy left.
Luminara Skye
11-08-2005, 05:32 PM
If FOX wouldn't have mixed up the episodes perhaps it would have done better. Given the way they were aired I can understand how people were a bit confused, especially when the episode with the Reavers aired. Without the pilot there was no way to know what the deal was.
Darth Kitana
11-09-2005, 03:34 PM
I just watched the episode where Kaylee goes to that ball in the pink ruffled gown. It's hilarious!
It's really hard to pick a favorite episode, but I think I'd have to say my favorite is Our Mrs. Reynolds
DarthAnakin
11-10-2005, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Whitesaber@Nov 1 2005, 09:09 PM
Serenity DVD Release in December
Universal Studios Home Video have announced the Region 1 DVD release of Serenity for 20th December 2005 priced at $29.98 SRP.
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=59075
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Great timing! Just for Christmas style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
WOOHOO! Perfect timing is right. And according to that article, extra features will include Deleted Scenes style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif and Outtakes *double style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif*
DarthAnakin
11-10-2005, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by JMAS@Nov 9 2005, 06:13 PM
It's really hard to pick a favorite episode, but I think I'd have to say my favorite is Our Mrs. Reynolds
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Yeah that was definitely an awesome episode, though I think my favorite is either Jaynestown or Out of Gas.
DarthAnakin
11-10-2005, 04:36 PM
Serenity DVD
Luminara Skye
11-11-2005, 09:15 AM
I can't pick a favorite episode. They are all so good. Think on this, I will... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
P-Ray
11-11-2005, 10:14 PM
Stop saying how good it is! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/yell.gif I can't take not being able to see it yet! style_emoti