Artoo-Detoo's memory

[James William Alexander Atreides]

The C-3PO thread inspired me to create this thread asking the question: granting that Artoo's memories may still be intact, how much does the droid know about Anakin, Padme, Obi-wan, and the events of the Clone Wars? And why doesn't he reveal this historic information? Or maybe his memories were wiped?

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[BoHeDia]

he starts to reviel it in the latest eu novels, appartenly someone had put in a electronic trap, that would prevent someone from accessing this info, but luke is getting it in the latest series...

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Which series?

[BoHeDia]

Dark Nest

[Mothman]

Originally posted by James William Alexander Atreides@Sep 20 2005, 09:19 PM
The C-3PO thread inspired me to create this thread asking the question: granting that Artoo's memories may still be intact, how much does the droid know about Anakin, Padme, Obi-wan, and the events of the Clone Wars? And why doesn't he reveal this historic information? Or maybe his memories were wiped?

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IMO, since they only had 3PO's memory wiped at the end of ROTS, it implies that R2 kept his memory. That would account for R2's actions in ANH and Luke's reaction: "I've never seen such devotion in a droid before." style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/artoo.gif

[James William Alexander Atreides]

I'll read the Dark Nest to see what happened.

[JMAS]

Artoo still has all his memories. His memory was never wiped. Originally, the Star Was saga was going to be Artoo telling the story of the saga we all know and love, to the Whills (rumored to be Yoda's species) who were recording the story into the Journal of the Whills.

[Sargoth]

From a previous post...

Originally posted by sargoth
From a narrative perspective, leaving R2's memory in tact does fit into Lucas' style for the characters. I read once, somewhere about the archetypes for R2 and 3P0. 3P0 is the "idiot savant". He speaks millions of languages and knows culture and customs for every known civilization. However, this knowledge seldom is of any use, as he is incapable of seeing beyond his supposed abilities.

R2 represents the "wise mute". He cannot "speak", but his experience has made him wise beyond years such that our heroes go somewhere without him at their extreme peril.

Lucas has said many times that we'll see these films through the eyes of the Droids. From this perspective, it's not a stretch to imagine that R2 is the only one that knows the *whole* story. Yet he cannot "communcate" it to those around him. They have to figure it out for themselves.

[BoHeDia]

Originally posted by JMAS@Sep 21 2005, 06:14 PM
Artoo still has all his memories. His memory was never wiped. Originally, the Star Was saga was going to be Artoo telling the story of the saga we all know and love, to the Whills (rumored to be Yoda's species) who were recording the story into the Journal of the Whills.
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i like that idea...

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by Sargoth+Sep 21 2005, 09:26 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sargoth @ Sep 21 2005, 09:26 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>From a previous post...

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From a narrative perspective, leaving R2's memory in tact does fit into Lucas' style for the characters. I read once, somewhere about the archetypes for R2 and 3P0. 3P0 is the "idiot savant". He speaks millions of languages and knows culture and customs for every known civilization. However, this knowledge seldom is of any use, as he is incapable of seeing beyond his supposed abilities.

R2 represents the "wise mute". He cannot "speak", but his experience has made him wise beyond years such that our heroes go somewhere without him at their extreme peril.

Lucas has said many times that we'll see these films through the eyes of the Droids. From this perspective, it's not a stretch to imagine that R2 is the only one that knows the *whole* story. Yet he cannot "communcate" it to those around him. They have to figure it out for themselves.

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Also, the characters Threepio and Artoo are loosely based on the two peasant characters from Hidden Fortress. The two peasants Tahei and Matakichi are constantly arguing, are lured by gold, and get mixed up with a General Rokurota Makabe, played by the legendary Toshirô Mifune, as they rescue and protect Princess Yukihime, played by Misa Uehara, from an evil empire. It is one of the inspirations for Star Wars.

From Wikipedia:

"The influence of The Hidden Fortress can be seen in George Lucas's Star Wars: A New Hope, particularly in the technique of telling of the story from the points of view of the film's lowliest characters. The relationship of R2-D2 and C-3PO is very similar to that of Tahei and Matakichi. Also, the characters of Obi-Wan Kenobi and Princess Leia mirror those of the General Rokurota Makabe and Princess Yukihime. Yukihime's technique of disguising herself as a peasant is mirrored in the first Star Wars prequel by Queen Amidala, who disguises herself as the handmaiden Padme. Early in the development of Star Wars, George Lucas even considered Toshiro Mifune for the role of Obi-Wan."

[Sargoth]

^ Exactly! The influence of this film on Lucas can not be overstated


Even the title Hidden Fortress came a Force Choke away from being uttered in the script for ANH.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

We must see when R2 reveals all his information. When he will spill his guts.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

He will talk. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/artoo.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whip.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/holosid.gif

[James William Alexander Atreides]

One wonders why he hasn't spoken up at all. Since he remembered Obi-wan, he should remember the name Skywalker. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/artoo.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/saber.gif

[JMAS]

^^ If you read the Dark Nest trilogy ... they are delving into that very issue in the first book.

[James]

Artoo never had his memory erased. GL would have let us know somehow.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

I just started the book so I haven't seen anything yet.

[Dark Helmet]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>One wonders why he hasn't spoken up at all. Since he remembered Obi-wan, he should remember the name Skywalker. [/b][/quote] maybe he was told to keep it on the down low.

[thepepgal]

Maybe he was briefed by Bail, prior to C3PO having his mind wipe, to keep quiet to protect the children. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/artoo.gif

I own Joiner King but have yet to start reading it.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by thepepgal@Sep 28 2005, 08:00 AM
Maybe he was briefed by Bail, prior to C3PO having his mind wipe, to keep quiet to protect the children. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/artoo.gif
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Maybe, but why? Wouldn't it be easier to mind wipe them both?

[Dark Helmet]

^ yeah thats true, but maybe since he was a mechanic they didn't want to have to teach him how to fix everything again.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

I doubt they would have needed to erase everything.

[thepepgal]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe, but why? Wouldn't it be easier to mind wipe them both?[/b][/quote]

Not if you need to know who Obi Wan is, or the connection of Luke and Leia. R2 is the most helpful and lucky droid of all.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Welcome to the Senate, thepepgal! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/welcome.gif

But no one could have predicted those events and so why do you need to keep all that information?

[Dark Helmet]

you wouldnt really...

[James William Alexander Atreides]

You see? You wouldn't! Only I could have predicted those events with my psychic abilities. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Okay, so sofar I have read most of Dark Nest I: The Joiner King. Artoo still has holographic recordings of Padme, Obi-Wan, and maybe Anakin in sector 222 of the deep-core memory of his memory chip, which is getting old and needs to be replaced. Supposedly, his memory hasn't been wiped or erased in decades, perhaps never. Since his program was created with military protocols installed, Artoo is unwilling to give up those records, sighting that he is protecting Master Luke. The program is secured to the point that attempts to illegally access it will cause it to be automatically erased. Again, I would like to see just how much historical information he has stored away in there. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/artoo.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whip.gif

[James William Alexander Atreides]

And he has some visuals taken from a camera in the old Jedi Temple showing the massacre of the Jedi by Anakin and the clonetroopers.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

He pretty much has the entire historical evidence of the prequel trilogy.
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[exarkun]

Can anyone tell me what happened in Dark Nest?

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Here's a quick summary site:
http://www.jedinet.com/timeline/timeline.asp?title=dn

[James William Alexander Atreides]

And welcome to the Senate, exarkun. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/welcome.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happydance.gif

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Anyone else?

[DarkSaber]

An interesting though about R2 and his memory, i like the concept of him telling Luke about it, but i wonder what Lucas what lucas would have done if he had made a film about it?

[thepepgal]

An interesting though about R2 and his memory, i like the concept of him telling Luke about it, but i wonder what Lucas what lucas would have done if he had made a film about it?

Contradicted everything in the EU. ;)

:welcome: DarkSaber

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Yes, there has to be some continuity and closure to the storyline. :happy: :cool:

[thepepgal]

Yes, there has to be some continuity and closure to the storyline.

No we don't want closure. If we did, there wouldn't be about 100 novel in the EU and more to come.

Remember the memories wouldn't take much room in his memory as they only fill 6 dvds here. ;)

Obviously why Luke hasn't located them before :)

[Cassus Fett]

Originally posted by BoHeDia+Sep 22 2005, 07:01 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BoHeDia @ Sep 22 2005, 07:01 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-JMAS@Sep 21 2005, 06:14 PM
Artoo still has all his memories.* His memory was never wiped.* Originally, the Star Was saga was going to be Artoo telling the story of the saga we all know and love, to the Whills (rumored to be Yoda's species) who were recording the story into the Journal of the Whills.
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i like that idea...
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that idea sounds great.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by thepepgal@Mar 10 2006, 09:04 AM
Yes, there has to be some continuity and closure to the storyline.

No we don't want closure. If we did, there wouldn't be about 100 novel in the EU and more to come.

Remember the memories wouldn't take much room in his memory as they only fill 6 dvds here. ;)

Obviously why Luke hasn't located them before :)
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I wonder what kind of storage units and capacity an R2 Astromech droid has?

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[Mystic]

At least an Intel Pentium 4 Processor and don't get me started on how much that memory would have to cost.

Phew!

Take it as you will

-Mystic

[andrewkess159]

Do droids like :artoo: get memory loss? Like Alzeimers?

[Cassus Fett]

no

[Sluggo]

I'd bet they'd get some kind of virus. And 3PO did say that R2 had become a little ecentric.

[Jedi Rohn Starr]

^ That may be due to the fact that he has all these memories from long ago as well as anything recent. I'm sure that his memory modules need to be refurbished by this time and probably cleared of any unnecessary 'knowledge' still in them. But, I think that his memory should be downloaded as we say, so that all the information he has of past events isn't lost.

[thepepgal]

Do droids like :artoo: get memory loss? Like Alzeimers?

No just bad motivators. :rofl:

[OB1]

No! :rofl:

[OB1]

No! :rofl:

[James William Alexander Atreides]

I wouldn't think so but those memory units must be degraded and corroded by now after all these years, don't you think? Even CDs will degrade after 50-75 years, right?

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[thepepgal]

I wouldn't think so but those memory units must be degraded and corroded by now after all these years, don't you think? Even CDs will degrade after 50-75 years, right?

CD can deteriorate early than that some as soon as 20 years, less if you treat them badly.

On memory units, R2 would have upgrades over the years and the memories transferred. Just like you would do when you change chips in pcs.

[MasterJedi12]

If you read the Dark Nest series, you notice that it mentions that R2 was acting strange. R2 never had a memory wipe because he reveals the blurps on Anakin and Padme that he secretly recorded. He is a tough little guy but he started going haywire in EU. :(

[James William Alexander Atreides]

And when and how will all that data be finally revealed? The suspense is killing me. :skull: :saber:

[MasterJedi12]

Read the Dark Nest Series and you will find out some bits. It's better than nothing and it might revive you some :D

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Ahhhhh...knowledge...need more knowledge now!! :pacman: :read:

And maybe a little drink. :shots:

[AussieT]

In the EU they actually find the memories in R2 about the events in the prequel series I'll try to find the actual book.

[MasterJedi12]

Really. I guess I'm null and void. I found out through DN and I haven't really read too many EU novels. My ignorance shames me.

[Cassus Fett]

^ read them you shall

[MasterJedi12]

^^^
If I had the funds :D

[thepepgal]

If I had the funds

Why not try a library? They often have SW books. It's where I originally started now I buy all my SW books.

[MasterJedi12]

If I had the time :D
Really between school and work, I'm lucky to get to read a blery children's book.

[Erick Landrider]

Originally posted by James William Alexander Atreides@Sep 20 2005, 10:19 PM
The C-3PO thread inspired me to create this thread asking the question: granting that Artoo's memories may still be intact, how much does the droid know about Anakin, Padme, Obi-wan, and the events of the Clone Wars? And why doesn't he reveal this historic information? Or maybe his memories were wiped?

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I remember in "The Making of Episode III", Lucas commented specifically saying that "R2 is the only one who knows the whole story".

Supposedly he is the one who gives this information to the writer of the Journal of the Whills, a throw back to some of Lucas' earlier drafts of The Star Wars.

As for why decides to keep it to himself...I don't know. Will of the living Force; that's always a good plug for plot holes.

[MasterJedi12]

Either that or that droid is a lot smarter than what everyone thought. :D
After all we've been through this Artoo unit has become a bit eccentric

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Originally posted by MasterJedi12@Apr 18 2006, 01:40 AM
Either that or that droid is a lot smarter than what everyone thought.
After all we've been through this Artoo unit has become a bit eccentric
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Tons of memory chips and backup does not a smart droid make. I'm leaning toward a bit eccentric and somewhat egotistical myself.

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[MasterJedi12]

Still Artoo has alot more than we know stored in that cargo cylinder he calls a body. Remember that astromech tend to undergo personality changes and develop quirks and a sense of individualism.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Yeah, but even with all that memory intertwined into his circuits, there's got to be a way to give him an upgrade and to save all that info as well.

[MasterJedi12]

Read the Dark Nest Trilogy and it tells how that happens :D

[Jeff Darklighter]

I had thought Anakin built C-3PO from scratch. But he pulled together droid and other parts to make him.
I don't think that quite fits with that fact C-3PO is supposed to be a type of common 3PO protocol droid.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/droid/c3po/
http://www.starwars.com/databank/droid/protocoldroid/

[MasterJedi12]

We were talking of Artoo and his memory. Threepio was created by Anakin; he was perfect. Artoo was an obtuse little friend and an overweight glob of grease. Still the dynamic duo never cease to be a source of entertainment :lol:

[thepepgal]

We were talking of Artoo and his memory. Threepio was created by Anakin; he was perfect. Artoo was an obtuse little friend and an overweight glob of grease. Still the dynamic duo never cease to be a source of entertainment

Who are you calling overweight? ;)

[Darth Strange]

R2-D2 memory is not very big because he had it wiped in the third movie thats why C-3po does nto remeberDarth Vader being his maker he just says oh thank the maker

[Jeff Darklighter]

Originally posted by MasterJedi12@Apr 25 2006, 01:17 AM
We were talking of Artoo and his memory.
Really? :nahnah:

It wasn't worth a new thread for a related question, imo.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Let's stay on target!

Artoo is a military astromech droid created by the Industrial Automaton Company on Naboo for use as a starship mechanic and computer interface specialist.
He also has codes to protect special military and political information. How much do you think he has stored up over 50-60 years?

[MasterJedi12]

Originally posted by thepepgal@Apr 25 2006, 02:28 AM
Who are you calling overweight? ;)
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Hello! Threepio called him that in ANH just when they escaped in the pod that landed on Tatooine.

As to the last question posed, there is probably a ton of information stored in that little cargo cylinder. After all what do we know of the previous owner before Padme?

[James William Alexander Atreides]

We don't know really anything. He was attached to the Royal Cruiser. That may have been his first job.
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[MasterJedi12]

Originally posted by Darth Strange@Apr 25 2006, 10:43 AM
R2-D2 memory is not very big because he had it wiped in the third movie thats why C-3po does nto remeberDarth Vader being his maker he just says oh thank the maker
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Wrong again. It was C3PO that had his memory wiped. R2 was left alone. Why do you think he knows so much of Obi-wan in ANH not counting what Leia said?

[James William Alexander Atreides]

^Very correct. But why doesn't he reveal this information to Luke and Leia?

[thepepgal]

Very correct. But why doesn't he reveal this information to Luke and Leia?

Read Dark Nest Trilogy. It explains that he thinks he is protecting Luke and Leia.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

But surely such info isn't harmful to Luke and Leia by now.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Don't you think?

[Erick Landrider]

Possible, but one would wonder what the point would be. Luke and Leia know most of the important parts.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Luke and Leia have the right to know the whole true story about their parents, right?

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Well, don't they?

[Zedekk]

I'd say.... yes. within reason.

[James William Alexander Atreides]

What reason?

[Zedekk]

Well don't let Artoo know everything. just pertinate info as pertaining to politics and strategy. I wouldn't want Artoo to some how morph into the personal recorded diary of Senator Amidala. :artoo:

[James William Alexander Atreides]

You never know. He started out on her Royal Cruiser after all.

:artoo: :whip: :holosid:

[James William Alexander Atreides]

He's seemed to get all the breaks.

[silverbolt]

C3PO is just a sideline chrachter he doesnt really do a lot except complain and is occassionally useful for translation needs.

R2 on the toher hand is an intrcal chrachter who saves several people several times over. He is as much a hero as Luke.

[nea200pl]

...granting that Artoo's memories may still be intact, how much does the droid know about Anakin, Padme, Obi-wan, and the events of the Clone Wars? And why doesn't he reveal this historic information? Or maybe his memories were wiped?


I was thinking about it myself. After seeing all movies I thought why didn't he revieled anything to Luke or Leia after being in her service for almost twenty years?
Well, I got one conclusion. Maybe I'm wrong but granting he still had his memory R2 from the start came across as smart little thing, 'the silent one' when C-3PO was a talker. Maybe he choosed to be quiet, to protect his mistress and all around her?

[James William Alexander Atreides]

Protect her from what, though? It's almost 50 years later.:scratchchin:

[Rebel Astromech Droid]

I do not believe that artoos memory was ever wiped. He seems to understand more of human behavior than an average droid, which is why he can interact with the others in a human-like (or alien-like, I guess) way. Maybe he just knows, maybe he was given instruction, whatever the reason, he knows that he need to shut up and let things run their course. Luke and Leia needed to discover things for themselves. What makes me believe that he may have been given directions is his interaction with Obi-wan when he delievers Leia's message in A New Hope, but it could just be artoo being clever. He's just amazing. End of story.